1115 Page – Leo Frank Georgia Supreme Court Appeals Records, 1913, 1914

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get off the car at Broad and Marietta because there was a street car conductor
sitting behind me, an ex-conductor and he had a badge on his coat and I
looked at it and it had a little girl's picture. I reached over to where Mary
was and said, "Little girl, here is your picture" and she said, "No, it is not."
I don't know who the other little girl was riding with her. The other little
girl was dressed something like Mary. I didn't pay much attention to their
dresses, but they looked sort of alike. Mary's dress wasn't black. It was
light colored. I know Epps since this case came up. I could identify him.
I never paid much attention to her hat. It was light-colored I reckon but I
am not sure. It just seemed that way.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION.

I identified Mary's body Sunday afternoon after the murder at the under-
taker's. There was no doubt about her being the same girl. I knew her
well by sight. She rode on my car lots.

RE-CROSS EXAMINATION.

I can't tell you whether that is the hat or not she wore.

W. T. HOLLIS, sworn for the Defendant.

I am a street car conductor. On the 26th of April I was on the English
Avenue Line. We ran on schedule that day. Mary Phagan got on at Lind-
sey Street at about 11:50. She is the same girl I identified at the undertaker's.
She had been on my car frequently and I knew her well. No one else got on
with her at Lindsey Street. Epps did not get on with her. I took up her
fare on English Ave., several blocks from where she got on. And no one was
sitting with her then. I do not recollect Epps getting on the car at all that
morning. Don't know whether anybody afterwards sat with Mary or
not. We got to Broad and Marietta several and a half minutes after twelve,
schedule time. I was relieved at Forsyth and Marietta Streets, where I got
off. Mary was still on the car when I got off. It takes two and a half minutes
to run from Broad and Marietta to Broad and Hunter. I have timed the car
again and again since then. I identified the little girl at the undertaker's
Sunday afternoon. Didn't notice the color of her clothes.

CROSS EXAMINATION.

Mary rode with us two or three times a week. So did Epps. I don't
know where he got off or where he got on. We are not supposed to come in
ahead of time. We never come in two or three minutes ahead of time. We
are a little late sometimes. I never noticed anybody sitting with Mary. She
was sitting by herself when I got her fare. There wasn't but two or three
passengers on the car and I know there wasn't anybody sitting with her. If
Epps was on the car I don't recollect it. I don't recall the name of any other