0478 Page – Leo Frank Georgia Supreme Court Appeals Records, 1913, 1914

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She was sitting by herself when I got here. Mary wasn't
but two or three passengers on the car and there wasn't
anybody sitting with her. If Epps was on the car I don't recol-
lect it. I don't recall the name of any other passengers except
Mary Phagan. As to what attracted my attention to Mary getting
on the front end of the car, as a general rule when she would
catch our car Mr. Matthews would say to her "You are late today"
and sometimes she would come in and remark that she was mad; that
she was late today and when she came that morning Mr. Matthews
said to her "Are you mad today?" and she said "Yes, I am late."
And sort of laughed and came on in the car and sat down. She
usually caught our car when she came in the morning. The one
due in town at 7:07. I didn't know Mary's name, I just recog-
nized Mary's face as the little girl who traveled with us.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION.

I heard of the murder next day. Newspaper reporters asked
us to go down and identify the girl. There was no doubt about
her being the little girl who was on our car. Oliver Street
is the next street to Lindsey. I did not see Epps get on at
Oliver Street. It is against the rule of the company to get
to the city ahead of time.

RE-CROSS EXAMINATION.

It is not against the rules to get a few minutes behind time. Some-
times we might get there a few minutes ahead of time, but hardly
ever. We always look at our watches at the main destination,
just as Broad and Marietta. We are supposed to do that.

HERBERT G. SCHIFER. Sworn for the defendant.

I am assistant superintendent of the National Benoil Co.; I
have been with the company about five years. Part of my duties
was to get up data for the financial report. I occupied the same