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Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: STATE'S EXHIBIT C.Piece of cord found around Mary Phagan's neck, about size of a heavy twine, with a knot in it.STATE'S EXHIBIT D.Rag that was found around Mary Phagan's neck, white piece of cloth, soiled. Looked as if it was a piece torn off from petticoat.STATE'S EXHIBIT E.Four or five chips of wood, with red splotehes on them, chipped up from the second floor of the National Pencil Company factory in front of ladies dressing room.STATE'S EXHIBIT F.Shirt found by detectives in trash barrel at Newt Lee's home. Shirt was very bloody blood was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: was right in front of me. - I said, "I will be ready in a minute" and he went downstairs and I come to the office and put on my coat and hat and followed him and went down. When I went out, talking to Newt Lee was J.M.Gantt, a man that was fired about two weeks ago. Newt Lee told me he wanted to get in to get a pair of shoes he had left there. I went and told Mr. Frank, and Mr. Frank said to me, "What does he want?" and

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Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: EVI DENCE FOR DEFENDANT IN SUR-REBUTTAL.T. Y. BRENT, Sworn for the defendant in sur-rebuttal.I have heard George Kendley on several occasions express himself very bitterly towards Leo M. Frank. He said he felt in this case just as he did about a couple of niggers hung down in Decatur; That he didn't know whether they had been guilty or not but somebody had to be hung for killing those street car men and it was just as good to hang one nigger as another, and that Frank was nothing but an old Jew and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: fluid containing usual amount of formaldehyde, this being injected into the veins in the large cavities, she is interred thereafter, and in about a week or ten days she is disinterred, and you find in her stomach cabbage like that, (State's Exhibit G) and you find granules of starch undigested, and those starch granules are developed by the usual color tests, and you also find in that stomach thirty two degrees of combined hydrochloric acid, the pylorus closed, and the duodenum, and six feet of the small intestines empty, no free hydrochloric acid being

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: alfactories act as a stimulant to the salivary glands.DR.JOHN FUNK,Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I am Professor of Pathology and Bacteriologist I was shownby Dr.Harris, sections from the vaginal wall of Mary Phagan,sections taken near the skin service. I didn't see sections fromthe stomach or the contents. These sections showed that theepithelium wall was torn off at points immediately beneath thatcovering in the tissues below, and there was infiltrated pressureof blood. They were you might say engorged, and the white bloodcells-in those-blood vessels were more numerous than you willfind in a normal blood vessel.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: busy at once. Of course, it would not be prepared as well. The digestion would be delayed of course. That cabbage is not as well digested as it should have been (State's exhibit G.) But the very fact of your anticipating a good meal, smelling it, starts your saliva going and forms the first stage of digestion and digestion is begun right there in the mouth, even if you haven't chewed it a single time. Any deviation from good mastication retards digestion. I couldn't presume to say how long that cabbage lay in Mary

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: The starch digestion should have progressed beyond the stateerythrogetrin; in the course of an hour. There should have beenenough free acid to have stimulated the n pyloris, and back to acertain extent, and there should have been some contents in theduodenum. I am assuming of course that it is a healthy stomach andthat the digestion was not disturbed by any psychic cause whichwould disturb the mind or any severe physical exercise. I amnot going so much by the physical appearance of the cabbage. Anysevere physical exercise or mental stress has quite an influenceon digestion.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: REDIRECT EXAMINATION.taken out nine days afterwards would be a little in excess of what I would consider normal, under the conditions already named.Dr. GEO. M. NILES, sworn for the State, in rebuttal.I confine my work to diseases of digestion. Every healthy stomach has a certain definite and orderly relation to every other healthy stomach. Assuming a young lady between thirteen and fourteen years of age at 11.30 April 26, 1913, eats a meal of cabbage and bread, that the next morning about three o'clock her dead body is found, that there are indications in

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: hardly any change on its chemical property. When it comes incontact with the formaldehyde it is supposed to be preserved.It has some neutralizing effect on the alkali present. Thatdecomposes in time after death, unless hindered by some preservative.The hydrochloric acids in the stomach also disappear if the stomachhas disintegrated and the preservative has disappeared. It disappearslike the other fluids and tissues of the body unless hindered bysome preservative agent. Sometimes digestion is delayed a gooddeal even in a normal stomach by insufficient mastication, too muchdiluting of the juices, or anything that hinders the operation

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: dead at 3 A.M. with a rope around her neck indented and the fleshsticking up, bruised on the eye, blood on the back of her head, thetongue sticking out, blue skin, every indication that she came toher death from strangulation, her head down. rigor mortis had beenon her twenty hours, the blood had settled in the back, more the gravitywould naturally take it in the face, she is embalmed, formaldehydeis used and injected in the various cavities of the body, includingthe stomach, a pathologist takes her stomach a week or ten daysafter, finds cabbage

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: look her up, it was reasonable and right that she should be looked up. I did that for the best interest of the case I was working on. No, I didn't have any warrant for her arrest. She was brought to Mr. Dorsey's office by a bailiff by a subpoena. I took her away from Dorsey's office and put her in a patrol wagon. I expect Mr. Dorsey knew we were going to look her up, but he did not tell us to do it. No, he didn't disapprove of it. I didn't know

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: was the soul of honor and that we had the wrong man; that there wasno use in inquiring about Darley and he knew Darley could not beresponsible for such an act. I told him that we had good infor-mation to the effect that Darley had been associating with othergirls in the factory; that he was a married man and had a family.Mr. Frank didn't seem to know anything about that. He said it wasa peculiar thing for man in Mr. Darley's position to be associatingwith factory employees, if he was doing it.CROSS EXAMINATION. We

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: EKK.GRAHAM,Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I was at the pencil factory April 26,with Mr. Tillander, about 20 minutes to 12. We met a negro on the ground floor. Mr. Tillander asked him where the office was, and he told him to go up the steps. I don't know whether it was Jim Conley or not. He was about the same size, but he was a little brighter than Conley. If he was drunk I couldn't notice it. I wouldn't have noticed it anyway.CROSS EXAMINATION. Mr. Frank and his stenographer were up stairs. He was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: W. M. MATTHEWS, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I have talked with this man Dobbs (W.C.) but I don't know what I talked about. I have never told him or anybody that I saw Mary Phagan get off the car with George Epps at the corner of Marietta and Broad. It has been 12 years since I have been tried for an offense in this court.CROSS EXAMINATION. I was acquitted by the jury. I had to kill a man on my car who assaulted me.W. C. DOBBS, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.Motorman Matthews

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: a minute and a half ahead. I have caught him as much as threeminutes ahead of time last Spring, on the trip due in town 12.07.I didn't report him. I just talked to him. I have known him to beahead of time twice in five years while he was under my super-vision.H. KELLY, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I am a motorman of the Georgia Railway & Power Co. On April26, I was standing at the corner of Forsyth and Marietta St. aboutthree minutes after 12. I was going to catch the College Park

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: next day. If Mary Phagan left home at 10 minutes to 12, she ought to have got to town about 10 minutes after 12, somewhere in that neighborhood. She could not have gotten in much earlier. The time that I saw her is simply an estimate. That was the time my car was due in town. I remember seeing her by reading of the tragedy the next day. I didn't testify at the, Coroners inquest, because nobody came to ask me. No, I have not abused and villified Frank since this tragedy. No, I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: It is due 5 minutes after the hour and the Cooper St. 1d due 7 minutes after. The English Avenue would have to be ahead of time to out off the Cooper St. car. That happens quite often. I have come in ahead of time very often. I have known the English Avenue car to be 4 or 5 minutes ahead of time.CROSS EXAMINATION. I don't know when that happened or who ran the car. I don't know whether they ran on schedule time on April 26, or not. When one car is out

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Dr.S.C.BENEDICT, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I am president of the State Board of Healthas a member of the Board when Dr.Westmoreland preferred charges against Dr.Harrie, these minutes (State's Exhibit N) are correct. I desire to say that we do not wish to open up that question again Dr.Westmoreland's charges are not recorded here. I don't think they were put on the minutes. The reply to the charges were put in the minutes and the action of the Board. The minutes would show what action the Board took.CROSS EXAMINATION. Dr. Harris' reply is not

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: having stated anything to her mother on Sunday morning. The affidavit does not contain anything that she did not state there that day. Before she made that affidavit, she said he did eat dinner that day. She finally said he didn't eat any. At first she said he remained at home at dinner time about half an hour or more. She finally said he only remained about ten minutes. At first she said Albert McKnight was not there that day. She finally said he was there. She said she was instructed not to talk

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: out to see her, he said Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell would be up there and they would let us know about it, and we went up there and Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell brought her in. They let us see her allright. I did not ask Campbell or Starnes to turn her out. I didn't ask anybody to turn her out. I never made any suggestion to anybody about turning her out. Nobody cursed, mistreated or threatened this woman while I was there. I don't know what took place before I got there.E.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: our Anglo Saxon liberties."They did not tell me that they al-ready had a statement that she had made, and which she declaredto be the truth.REDIRECT EXAMINATION. You (Mr.Dorsey) did not tell me that youhad no right to look anybody up. I told you that, and you agreedto it, but you would not let her go. I told you that Chief Beav-ers said he would do what you said and then I asked you to giveme an order. You said you wouldn't give me an order. When I toldStarnes that I thought I ought to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: .out a habeas corpus, which I did. The detectives said they wouldn't let her go without your consent. You said you didn't have anything to do with looking her up as to whether Minola McKnight did not sign this paper freely and voluntarily (State's Exhibit J), it was signed in my absence while I was at police station. When I came back this paper was lying on the table signed. That paper is substantially the notes that Mr. February read over to her. As they read it over to her, she said it was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: .on oath.GEORGE GORDON. Sworn for the State, in rebuttal.I am a practicing lawyer. I was at police station part of the time when Minola McKnight was making her statement. I was out-side of the door most of the time. I went down there with habeas corpus proceedings to have her sign the affidavit and when I got there the detectives informed me that she was in the room, and I sat down and waited outside for two hours, and people went and out of the door, and after I had waited there I saw

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: W. H. TURNER, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I worked at the National Pencil Company during March of this year. I saw Leo Frank talking to Mary Phagan on the second floor, about the middle of March. It was just before dinner. There was nobody else in the room then. Mary was going to work and he stopped to talk to her. She told him she had to go to work. He told her that he was the superintendent of the factory, and that he wanted to talk to her, and she said she

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: MISS DEWEY HEWELL, Sworn for the State in rebuttal.I stay in the Home of the Good Shepherd in Cincinnati. I worked at the Pencil Factory four months. I quit in March 1913. I have seen Mr. Frank talk to Mary Phagan two or three times a day in the metal department. I have seen him hold his hand on her shoulder. He called her Mary. He would stand pretty close to her. He would lean over in her face.CROSS EXAMINATION. All the rest of the girls were there when he talked to her. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: W. M. COOK, W. J. ELDER, A. B. HOUSTON, J. T. BORN,W. M. WRIGHT, C. B. McGINNIS, F. P. KEPNER, W. C. HALE, L. BOYCÉ,M. G. CALDWELL, A. W. HUNT, W. C. PATTERSON, all sworn for the Statetestified that they knew C. B. Dalton, that his general characterfor truth and veracity was good, and that they would believe himon oath.MRS. H. B. JOHNSON, MISS MARIE CARR, MISS NELLIE PETTIS, MARYDAVIS, MRS. MARY B. WALIA C. ESTELLE WINKLE, CARRIE SMITH, allsworn for the defendant, testified that they were formerly employ-ed at the National Pencil Company

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Nobody has raised a fund to pay the fees of my attorneys. These fees have been paid by the sacrifice in part of the small property which my parents possess.Gentlemen, some newspaper men have called me "the silent-man-in-the tower," and I kept my silence and my counsel advisedly, until the proper time and place. The time is now, the place is here, and I have told you the truth, the whole truth.EVIDENCE IN REBUTTAL-FOR STATE.J. R. FLOYD, M. GODDARD, L. GODDARD, J. J. BALLARD, HENRY CARR, J. A. RICE, JIM SMITH, all sworn for

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: had windows opening onto the street. There was no lock on the door, and I know I never went into that room at any hour when the girls were dressing. These girls were supposed to be at their work at 7 o'clock. Occasionally I have had reports that the girls were flirting from this dressing room through the windows with men. It is also true that sometimes the girls would loiter in this room when they ought to have been doing their work. It is possible that on some occasions I looked into this

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: police headquarters, my wife was there when you me, she was downstairs on the first floor, I was up on the top floor. She was there almost in hysterics, having been brought there by her two brothers-in-law, and her father. Rabbi Marx was with me at the time. I consulted with him as to the advisability of allowing my dear wife to come up to the top floor to see me in these surroundings with city detectives, reporters and snapshooters; I thought I would save her that humiliation and that harsh sight, because I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: know about him." I said: "Gentlemen, you have come to thewrong man, because Mr. Darley is the soul of honor and is astrue as steel. He would not do a crime like that, he couldn'tdo it," and Black chirped up: "Come on, Scott, nothing doing,"and off they go. That showed me how much reliance could beplaced in either the city detectives or our own Pinkertondetectives, and I treated such conduct with silence and it wasfor this reason, gentlemen, that I didn't see Conley,surrounded with a bevy of city detectives and Mr. Scott, be-cause I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: establishment, to the factory, and I went to headquartersI went to headquarters the second time, going there willinglywithout anybody coming for me. On each occasion I answeredthem frankly and unreservedly, giving them the benefit of thebest of my knowledge, answering all and any of their questions,and discussing the matter generally with them. On Monday theycame for me again. I went down and answered any end all oftheir questions and gave them a statement which they took downin writing, because I thought it was right and I was onlytoo glad to do it. I answered

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: and in a few minutes afterwards detective Barnes brought upNewt Lee from the cell room. They put Newt Lee into a roomand hand-cuffed him to a chair. I spoke to him at some lengthin there, but I couldn't get anything additional out of him.He said he knew nothing about couples coming in there at night,and remembering the instructions Mr. Black had given me Isaid: "Now, Newt, you are here and I am here, and youhad better open up and tell all you know, and tell the truthand tell the full truth, because you will

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of the note that I wrote. Detective Starnes then took me down to the desk sergeant where they searched me and entered my name on the book under a charge of suspicion. Then they took me back into a small room and I sat there for awhile while my father-in-law was arranging for a supernumerary police to guard me for the night. They took me then to a room on the top of the building and I sat in the room there and either read magazines or newspapers and talked to my friends who

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: and my hands and my arms - I suppose he was trying to hunt to see if he could find any scratches. I stayed in there until about 12 o'clock when Mr. Rosser came in and spoke to the detectives, or to Chief Beavers. After talking with Chief Beavers he came over to me and said to me that Chief Beavers thought it better that I should stay down there. He says: "He thinks it better that you be detained at headquarters, but if you desire, you don't need to be locked up in

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: company with another one of their traveling men, Mr. Jordan. At the corner of Forsyth and Hunter Streets, I met up with a cousin of my wife's, a Mr. Selig, and had a drink at Cruickshank's soda fount at the corner of Hunter and Forsyth. Then I went up into the factory and separated the papers I had brought back with me from Montag Brothers, putting them in the proper places, and sending the proper papers to the different places. I was working along the regular routine of my work, in the factory and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I opened the back door and we made a thorough search of the alleyway and went up and down the alley and then went down that alleyway to Hunter Street and down Hunter to Forsyth and up Forsyth in front of the Pencil Factory. In front of the Pencil Factory I had quite a little talk with Mr. Scott as to the rate of the Pinkerton Detective Agency. He told me that they were and I had Mr. Schiff to telephone to Mr. Montag to find out if those rates were satisfactory. He phoned

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: in the presence of Mr. J. V. Darley and Mr. Herbert Schiff.I told him that I expected that he had seen what had happenedat the Pencil Factory by reading the newspapers and knew allthe details. He said he didn't read the newspapers and didn'tknow the details, so I sat down and gave him all the detailsthat I could, and in addition I told him something which Mr.Darley had that afternoon communicated to me, viz: that Mrs.White had told him that on going into the factory at about 12o'clock noon on Saturday April 26th, she

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: solvent, should have been put on there in a liquid state, it would not have showed up white, as it showed up then, but it would have showed up either pink or red, and where the spot of blood was, or whatever it was, that stuff was white, and not pink or red.I returned after making this examination from which I noticed two or three or four chips had been knocked up, the boys told me, by the police that morning; I returned to my office and gathered up what papers I had to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: the main ingredients of that compound are, for practical purposes, soap and oil, and it now is diluted to a great extent with water so it can flow easily onto the tools or onto the metal, so that the tools that they use it on won't get brittle or smeared up, and that haskoline compound is carried to these little machines in the metal room, right almost up to that dressing room, and the haskoline remains on them and sticks to them, and you are apt to find that haskoline compound on the floor

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: spoke to the boys who were there in the office about thehappenings of that morning, of course, more or less length.Then Mr. Quinn said he would like to take me back to the metaldepartment on the office floor where the newspapers thatmorning had said that Mr. Barrett of the metal department hadclaimed he had found blood spots, and where he had foundsome hair. Mr. Quinn first took me to the little lathe backin the metal department, and explained to me that Mr. Barretthad told him just the same as he said here, that those

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to you for your examination. The detectives were evidentlyperfectly well satisfied with what they had seen there, andof course they left without any further remarks with Mr. Haas.I went downstairs and conversed with my folks down thereuntildinner time, which was served to my father-in-law and mymother-in-law and my wife and myself by Minola McKnight.About that time, Mr. and Mrs. Wolfsheimer came in and conversedwith us, Mr. Wolfsheimer telling me that he would take medowntown that afternoon in his automobile. After dinner, Itelephoned down to the office and telephoned to Mr. Schiff, andtold him to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Rosser were apparently having a sort of conversation, and I overheard Mr. Rosser say "Well, it is preposterous, a man who would have done such a deed must be full of scratches and marks and his clothing must be bloody." I imagine Mr. Rosser must have had an inkling that they were suspicious of me, and as soon as I heard that, I turned and jumped up and showed them my under clothing and my top shirt and my body, (exposed it to them all that came within the range of their vision. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: interval of an hour had occurred three times during the time that Newt Lee had been punching on that Saturday night, April 26th. When I had first looked at it, I only noticed that every line had a punch mark on it, but I didn't notice what time the punch marks themselves were on; this time I studied the slip carefully. It was one of the same slips I had taken out of the clock. Chief Lanford, one of the officers handed it to me at police headquarters, which I absolutely identified with the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: walked from my home on Georgia Avenue down to WashingtonStreet, down to police headquarters, walking the whole way.On the way down, I asked Detective Haslett what the troubledown at the station house was, and he said: "Well, Newt Leehas been saying something, and Chief Lanford wanted to ask youa few questions about it;" and I said: "What did Newt Leesay?" "Well, Chief Lanford will tell you when you get downthere." Well, I didn't say anything more to him, went rightalong with him, and when I got down to police headquarters,I sat in one of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I saw there his wife, Mrs. Haas, her son Edgar Haas, and acousin of my wife's, Montefiore Selig. My wife had left wordwith Mrs. Haas that I should call for her at the residence ofMr. Marcus, which is next door, or just a few doors away, andI went by end called for my wife at six o'clock and a fewminutes before seven my wife and I left the residence of Mr.Marcus and started down Washington Street towards GeorgiaAvenue on our way home. On our way home, we met our brother-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. Chas.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: corner of Whitehall and Alabama, where Mr. Schiff waiteduntil I caught an Alabama Street or Georgia Avenue car and re-turned to my home. I returned to my home about a quarter tofour, and found there was no one in, as my wife had told methat if she wasn't at home, she would probably be at the resi-dence of Mr. Ereenberg, I proceeded over there, coming upWashington Street in the direction of the Orphans' Home, andon Washington Street, between Georgia Avenue and the nextstreet down, which I believe is Bass Street, I met ArthurHaas and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: from the regulation order pad or order book-of the NationalPencil Company (State's Ex. ZJ, the sheet was a yellow sheetwith black ruling on it, and certain black printing at thetop. These are the two notes, (indicating papers.)At the top of these notes where it showed the series and date,and you can see it has either been worn out or rubbed out, butthe date was originally on there, and down below here is theserial numbers now, both of those notes were written as thoughthey had been written through a piece of carbon paper and thedate

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Wolfsheimer, and at Mr. Wolfsheimer's house, we found quite a company of young people, and the conversation turned largely on what I had seen that morning; also, among those who were present, were Mrs. L. G. Cohen, Mrs. N. G. Michael, Mrs. Carl Wolfsheimer, Julian Michael, Phillip Michael, Miss Helen Michael, Miss Virginia Silverman, Miss May Lou Lieberman, Julian Loeb and Herman Loeb. After staying there about an hour with my wife, I went in her company to visit the home of my brother-in-law, A. E. Marcus, whose home is situated on Washington Street

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: up to Chief Lanford's office where I sat and talked and answered every one of their questions freely and frankly, and discussed the matter in general with them, trying to aid and to help them in any way that I could. It seemed that, that morning the notes were not readily accessible, or for some other reason I didn't get to see them, so I told them on leaving there that I would come back that afternoon, which I ultimately did; after staying there a few minutes, Mr. Darley and myself left, and inasmuch

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: successive punches were made at the time which the punchesthemselves showed. After putting a new slip in the clock,we all went out of the factory and went downstairs and lockedthe door, and I was going to go down to the office, topolice headquarters, because the officers said they wanted toshow me some notes which they said were found near the body andthe pad lock and staple which they showed me had been with-drawn, and which they said had been taken down to the stationthe first time they had Newt Lee down there.Now, gentlemen, I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 153 and the number 134 (deft's Bx 41). I wrote on it "Taken out 8:25 A.M." and two lines under that, with a casual look at that slip, you can't see it.I can see it. When looking casually at that slip, you see nothing, and by the way, this sheet has been identified (Def's Bx. 41). It is the one to which reference has been made so many times, and if you will look at it, you will see the date, April 26th, which was put on there on the evening of Saturday, April

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: seemed like the chain which goes down in the basement had slipped a cog and gotten out of gear and needed somebody to force it back; however, Mr. Darley was successful in getting it loose, and it started up, and I got on and the detectives got on and I caught hold of the rope and it worked all right. In the basement, the officers showed us just about where the body was found, just beyond the partition of the Clark Woodenware Company, and in behind the door to the dust bin, they showed

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: work in the metal plant, and that she was due to draw $1.20,the pay-roll book showed that as the detectives had toldme that someone had identified the body of that little girlas that of Mary Phagan, there could be no question but what itwas one and the same girl. The detectives told me thenthey wanted to take me down in the basement and show me exactlywhere the girl's body was found, and the other paraphernaliathat they found strewed around; and I went to the elevatorbox,--the switch box, so that I could turn on the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: light, and I saw the body of the little girl. Mr. Rogerswalked in the room and stood to my right, inside of theroom. I stood right in the door, leaning up against the rightfacing of the door, and Mr. Black was to the left, leaning onthe left facing, but a little to my rear, and the attendant,whose name I have since learned was Mr. Thesseling, was on theopposite side of the little cooling table to where I stood--in other words, the table was between him and me; he removedthe sheet which was covering the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: and the man who I afterwards found out was detective Black,hung his head and didn't say anything. Now, at this point,these two witnesses, Mr. Rogers and Mr. Black differ with meon the place where the conversation occurred,--I say, to thebest of my recollection, it occurred right there in the housein front of my wife; they say it occurred just as I leftthe house, in the automobile; but be that as it may, this isthe conversation: They asked me did I know Mary Phagan, Itold them I didn't; they then said to me, "didn't a

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: lighted the gas water heater preparatory to taking a bath,and then continued reading in the hall; at 10:30, I turnedout the gas, went into the dining room, bade them all good-night, and went upstairs to take my bath; a few minutes later,my wife followed me upstairs. (At this point the jury retiredfor a short intermission.) I believe I was taking a bath whenyou went out,--on Saturday night; and after finishing my bath,I laid out my linen to be used next day, my wife changed thebuttons from my old shirt to the shirt I was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: which was put into the clock the night, --Saturday night, -- no one was coming down to the factory on Sunday, as far as I knew, or as far as custom was, to put the slips into the clocks and therefore, we had to put the slips into the clock dated with the date on which the help were coming into the factory to go about their regular duties and register on the Monday following, which, in this case, was April 28th. Now, on one of these slips, Newt Lee would register his punches

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: lump the different items that were all alike together (Def't's Ex. 10). This sheet has been identified and explained, and you notice that there were four items of drayage grouped together, the total being $6.70. I just extend -that-over to the right there $6.70. Then I don't have to put drayage down in this book four times; just make one entry of drayage for the four-times we paid drayage together, which gives the same total, and makes the book look a great deal neater. So on throughout, five items of cases, two items of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: .. it up to $30.54; the actual amount which the cash book showed.Now on the left-hand side of this book, the debits for the week between April 21st, which was Monday, previous to April 28th, it being a record simply of the petty cash used by us, showed that we had a balance on hand the Monday morning previous of $39.85. On April 23rd we drew a check for $15.00, and on April 24th we drew another one for $15.00. I mean by that we would draw a check for $15.00, and go over

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Mr. Sig. Montag, General Manager of the Pencil Company, and putit under my inkwell, intending to take it up on the morningof Monday following.I then came to the checking up of the cash on handand the balancing of the cash book. For some reason or otherthere are no similar entries in this book after those of thatdate. That's my handwriting. (Def'ts Ex. 40) and I didthat work on Saturday afternoon, April 25th, as near as mightbe between the hours of 5:30 and 5 minutes to 6:30. Now inchecking up it didn't take me an

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: formerly a member of our Board of Directors, although he is notnow. The other sheet I always invariably sent to my uncle,Mr. M. Frank, no matter where he is, who is President of theCompany. On this particular Saturday, my uncle had during theweek ending April 26th gone to New York, stopping at HotelMcAlpin, preparatory to taking his annual trip abroad forhis health, he being a sick feeble old man. When I made outthat financial, I really made out two small ones, and I putone in an envelope, addressed it to Mr. Oscar Pappenheimer(Def't's Ex.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: filled these figures in; I am no typewriter; I cannot operate a machine; I have two or three dozen of these every now and then typewritten together, and keep them in blank in my desk; I didn't typewrite those on that day, or any other day; I just filled these figures in those blanks--this is the sheet (Defendant's Ex. 11)--called the comparison sheet between 1912 and 1913, which is nothing more nor less than taking the vital figures, the vital statistics of one week of 1913, and comparing them with the same week of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: morning before I would take it over. Then it tells tipsdelivered from Mr. Quinn's report.Now on the right side you will notice this entry, "Bet-ter grades, gross, net." From this small sheet we gettotal of better grades 710, gross. Then right below it says700 gross net. There were 710 gross, and on that repackedsheet I called out there 10 gross good goods repacked, there-fore the difference of 10 gross. Then we look on down thispencil sheet, cut down each and every one of the items accordingly--you will notice in some places I marked some

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: in ferrules, the medium rubber, and the better class of rubber.In other words, it's gotten by adding together therubber at 9 cents a gross, and the rubber at 14 cents a gross,and adding together the total amount of gross used. And yousee it says "materials", and it is reckoned at 10 cents; inother words, the materials used in making the tips in that tipplant we figured at 10 cents a gross, and the labor is in-cluded in that payroll item up above. Then there is 25 grossof these medium ends.Then the lead, which is

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: salesman sells little or big his salary goes on and his expenses goes on. Rent, heat, light, power, sales department men, and all that, is figured out, as you would find by looking back, continuously, from week to week, and there is no work other than jotting it down to figure in this total.The repair sundries is also arbitrary at $150.00. The machine shop, however, is evadable. It appears alongside of "Investment". "Investment" is crossed out, and "Machine shop" written in. There is a reason for that. The time was at the inception of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: from this sheet, the last entry in A, which I had to make.Then the orders received. The entry of the orders received that day involved absolutely no more work on my part than the mere transfer of the entries. On this blue sheet (Defendant's Ex. 1) I have here the orders received are in terms of "Total gross" and "Total value," and we need that to compare the amount of shipments with the amount of orders we are receiving to see whether we are shipping more than we are receiving, or receiving more than

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: our lead plant delivery, for information. Then the slat delivery, that is not worked out simply because that is Mr. Schiff's duty to work that out, and that it is a very tedious and long job and when I started in to do that I couldn't find the sheet showing the different deliveries of slats from the mill, so I let that go, intending to put that in on Monday, but on Monday following I was at the police station. I took out from this job (Defendant's Ex. 4b) sheet the correct amount of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: some common factor, so I make the multiplication in figuring out the cost at two cents. That involves quite a mathematical manipulation. Then I come to the skeleton. Skeletons are no more than just a trade name. They are just little cardboard tiers to keep one pencil away from the other, that is all a skeleton is. I have to go through and find out which pencils are skeletons. If it is a cheap pencil, they are just tied up with a cord, and there are pencils in a bunch, and there are pencils

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: are many pencils that don't take rubber at all. There are jobs that don't take rubber on them, plain common pencils, going pencils that don't have rubber on them at all, and I have to go through all of that operation, that tedious operation again that eats up so much time. Then there is the lead of the various kinds that we use; there is good lead and cheap lead, the large lead and the thick or carbon lead, and the copying lead. That same operation has to be gone through again. Now this

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Ex. 9(a) I had to work on, showing the pencils that were repacked, going into the display boxes, and the numbers, and subtracted that from the total amount 46 from 2755 1/2, which leaves 2719 1/2; in other words, I just deducted the amount that had been taken out of the stock room and repacked from the total amount that was stated to be packed, showing the amount of repacked goods. Now all I had to do was to copy that off, it had been figured once. The value of the repack was $70.00;

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: That added up, as you will see, to $70.00. In other words, there were 40 gross of pencils, 36 gross of which sell in our medium price goods; 86 gross 35-K; 10 gross 930-X, $2.50, that is a high priced goods. Therefore, the re-pack for that week was 36 gross medium priced goods and 10 gross of high price goods. I will show you now where the $70.00 is and where the 36' grosses is, and where the 10 gross figured in the financial sheet (Def't's Ex 4). There is a little sheet stuck

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of 4374 gross. Now, there is another little slip of paper (Def'ts Ex. 4a) here that requires one of the most complicated calculations of this entire financial, and I will explain it. It shows the repack, and I notice an error on it here, it says here 4-17, when it ought to be 4-18; in other words, it goes from 4-17 through 4-24. That repack is gotten up by Miss Eula May; you will notice it is O.K.'d by her. Miss Eula May Flowers, the forelady, packed that; that is the amount of pencils

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: pencils, which are the two figures most important, I divided one by the other. I also used, in getting up the data for the financial sheet, by the way, 'one of the most important sheets' is this very little sheet here (Def't's Ex. 40). It looks very small, but the work connected with it is very large. Now, some of the items that appear on there are gotten from the reports which are handed in by the various forewomen. Now you saw on the stand this morning Mr. Godfrey Winekauf, the Superintendent of the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: May handed this in from the packing room proper, there is another room where pencils are packed, viz: the department under the foreladyship of Miss Fannie Atherton, head of the job department. The jobs are our second or throw-outs for which we get less money, of course, than for the first. You see that Fannie A (Def'ts Ex. 4b); that is Fannie Atherton. That is the job department. Now, I took each of those job sheets and separated them from the rest of those sheets, finding out how many jobs of the various kinds

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Well, I expect you have gotten enough of a glance at them for you to know that there are a great many pencils and a great many colors, all sorts and styles; all sorts of tips, all sorts of rubbers, all sorts of stamps--I expect there are 140 pencils in that roll. That shows the variety of goods we manufacture. We not only have certain set numbers that we manufacture, but we will manufacture any pencil to order for any customer who desires an efficient number of a special pencil, into a grade similar

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: told him that I had no way of letting him know sooner that I was to be there at work and that I had changed my mind about going to the ball game. I told him that he could go if he wanted to or he could amuse himself in any (way) that he saw fit for an hour and a half, but to be sure and be back by half past six o'clock. He went off down the stair case leading out and I returned to my office. Now, in reference to Newt

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Then I walked on down Whitehall on the side of Mr. M. Rich &Bros. Store towards Brown & Allen; when I got in front ofM. Rich & Bros. store, I stood there between half past 2 andfew minutes to 3 o'clock until the parade passed entirely;then I crossed the street and went on down to Jacobs and wentin and purchased twenty five cents worth of cigars. I thenleft the store and went on down Alabama street to Forsythstreet and down Forsyth street to the factory. I unlocked thestreet door and then unlocked the inner

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I had to do at the factory, I would be unable to go with him, he having invited me to go with him out to the ballgame. I succeeded in getting his residence and his cook answered the phone and told me that Mr. Ursenbach had not come back home. I told her to give him a message for me, that I would be unable to go with him. I turned around and continued eating my lunch, and after a few minutes my wife and mother-in-law finished their dinner and left and told me

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: keep them several hours. I noticed that they had laid out some work and I had to see what work they had done and were going to do. I asked Mr. White's wife if she was going or would stay there as I would be obliged to lock up the factory, and Mrs. White said, No, she would go then. I went down and gathered up my papers and locked my desk and went around and washed my hands and put on my hat and coat and locked the inner door to my office

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: which way it came from; just passed her by and I had that impression. This little girl had evidently worked in the metal department by her question and had been laid off owing to the fact that some metal that had been ordered had not arrived at the factory; hence, her question. I only recognized this little girl from having seen her around the plant and did not know her name, simply identifying her envelope from her having called-her number to me.She had left the plant hardly five minutes when Lemmie Quinn, the foreman

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: (Bert's Exs. 25-35). That is my handwriting and you can read every one of them through (Def't's Exs. 25-35). Here is one, F. W. Wolworth, I wrote that one, and another one F. W. Wolworth, I wrote that one, and another one F. W. Wolworth. Here is one 5 and 10 cent store, Sault Ste Marie (Def't's Ex. 31), I wrote that one, and here is F. W. Wolworth, DeKalb, Illinois, and Logansport, Indiana (Def't's Ex. 27). That is all my hand-writing, excepting the amounts that are placed down here under the dates when

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: orders and find out the number of gross of pencils which our customers order which fall in certain price groups, that is, to find the number of gross of pencils for which the Pencil Factory gets 60 cents a gross, and I put them down under the first column, the second under the column RI, which means rubber inserted, and for which we get an average price of 80 cents, I go through the same thing and put the figures all out, in this case, it was 102; then we have a price group

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: shows to whom the goods are to be shipped, of course that is not very difficult to do, that is just a mere copy. The store numbers are put down in case the stores have numbers, and then one must look over the order; I notice that one of the orders is one to R. E. Kendall (Def't's Ex. 24) at Plum St., Cincinnati, O., calling for a special, and that has to be noted in this column here, you will notice regular or special, notice here the word special our here opposite R.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of the fact that up here at the top was 4-2, this order was written in pencil, of course it is written in pencil on this is an order from F. W. Woolworth & Company (Def's Ex. 17); that is a Five & Ten Cent syndicate, as you know, probably the largest in the world, that has over 700 stores, and these stores would be so bulky for one office to handle that the 700 stores are divided into different groups or provinces, and in charge of each group there is a certain office;

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ed to me, almost immediately, calling into my office that she had forgotten something, and then she left for good. Then I started in, we transcribed, first we enter all orders into the house order book (Defendant's Exhibit 18), all these orders which Miss Hall had acknowledged, I entered in that book, and I will explain that matter in detail. There has been some question raised about this, but I believe we can make it very clear. Here is an order from Beutell Brothers Company (Defendant's Exhibit 21); the very first operation on an

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: the typewriting of these letters and brought them to my deskto read over and sign, which work I started doing as Clerk andMiss Hall left the office, as near as may be, at a quarter totwelve, and went out, and I started to work reading over theletters and signing the mail. I have the carbon copies ofthese letters which Miss Hall typewrote for me that morninghere, attached to the letters from customers, or the partieswhose letter I was answering; they have been introduced, andhave been identified. I see them here (Defendant's Exhibit 8),--Southern Bargain

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: sheet which contains the record of pencils punched for the week didn't include the report for Thursday, the day the fiscal week ends; Mr. Schiff evidently, in the stress of getting up, figuring out and filling the envelopes for the pay-roll on Friday, instead of, as usual, on Friday and half the day Saturday, had evidently not had enough time. I told Alonzo Mann, the office boy, to call up Mr. Schiff, and find out when he was coming down, and Alonzo told me after he came back over the telephone that Mr. Schiff

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: manufacture the orders had proceeded, but he would go backwith me then I would be very glad to look for it, and then tellhim when we could ship them, and he said he couldn't go rightaway, he was busy, but he would come a little later, and I toldhim I would be glad for him to come over later that morning orin the afternoon, as I would be there until about 1 o'clockin the morning, and after three. I then took my folder and re-turned to Forsyth Street alone. On arrival at Forsyth Street,I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: bought a package of Favorite cigarettes, either when I had our drink, we conversed together there for some time, and I lighted a cigarette and told him good-bye, as he went in one direction, and I went on my way then to Montag Brothers', where I arrived, as nearly as may be, at 10 o'clock, or a little after; on entering Montag Brothers, I spoke to Mr. Sig. Montag, the General Manager of the business, and then the papers which I collected, which lay on his desk, I took the papers out and transferred

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Smith came in and asked me for her pay envelope, and for that of her sister-in-law, and I went to the safe and unlocked it and got out the package of envelopes that Mr. Schiff had given me the evening before, and gave her the required two envelopes, and placed the remaining envelopes that I got out, that were left over from the day previous, in my cash box, where I would have them handy in case others might come in, and I wanted to have them near at hand without having to jump

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to be particularly careful with, because all these five and ten cent syndicates have a great deal red tape. These invoices, though they were typed on April 25th, Friday, were shipped on April 24th, and bear date at the top on which the shipment was made, irrespective of the date on which these are typewritten; in other words, the shipments took place April 24th, and that date is at the top, typewritten, and a stamp by the office boy at the bottom, April 24th. Among other things that the S. H. Kress Company demands

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: stamped "The Packard Motor Car Company," 125 gross of No. 3 and 50 gross of No. 4; those figures represent the grade or hardness of the lead in the pencils; we shipped 100 gross of No. 2, 11 1/2 gross of No. 3, and 49 gross of No. 4, the amount of the shipment of No. 3 is short of the amount the customer ordered, therefore, there is a suspense shipment card attached to it, as you will notice; the first shipment on this order took place on April 24th, it was a special

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: way; I found Alonzo Mann, the office boy, in the outer office,I took off my coat and hat and sat upon my desk and opened thesafe, and assorted the various cases and files and wire trayscontaining the various papers that were placed there the eveningbefore, and distributed them in their proper places about theoffice. I then went out to the shipping room and conversed afew minutes with Mr. Irby, who at that time was shipping clerk,concerning the work which he was going to do that morning,through, to the best of my recollection, we did

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: the way we usually do with the time clock. After placingthese slips in the clock and bringing those back in the office,Mr. Schiff and myself left for home, I think about 6:30. Ineglected to state that while I was still in the office, Mr.Schiff was paying off Newt Lee--these are the two time slips Itook out---Gentlemen, as I was saying, these two slips that had April 26th,1913 written at the bottom are the two slips I put in the clockon the evening of Friday April 25th, to be used on the dayfollowing, which, of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of the help took place, Mr. Schiff taking all the envelopesthat were due the help who had worked from April 16th to 24th,inclusive, out to the pay-roll window, which is entirely out-side of either my inner office or the outer office and outin the hall beyond,--a little window that we have built. Isat in my office, checking over the amount of money which hadbeen left over. This amount was equal,--or should have beenequal, to the amount that had been looked out in advance tohelp and had been deducted when we were filling the envelopes.In

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: This checking took me until about 12:30, P. M. when I made out the amount on a slip of paper that I wished to have drawn from the bank, went over to Montag Brothers, had the checks drawn and signed by Mr. Sigmond Montag, after which I returned to Forsyth Street and got the leather bag in which I usually carry the money and the coin from the bank, and got the slip on which I had written the various denominations in which I desired to have the pay-roll made out, accompanied by Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: my life. My duties as Superintendent of the National Pencil Company were, in general, as follows: I had charge of the technical and mechanical end of the factory, looking after the operations and seeing that the product was turned out in quality equal to the standard which is set by our competitors. I looked after the installation of new machinery and the purchase of new machinery. In addition to that, I had charge of the office work at the Forsyth Street plant, and general supervision of the lead plant, which is situated on Bell

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: STATEMENT OF LEO M. FRANK.Gentlemen of the Jury: In the year 1884, on the 17th day of April, I was born in Texas. At the age of three months, my parents took me to Brooklyn, New York, and I remained in my home until I came South, to Atlanta, to make my home here. I attended the public schools of Brooklyn, and prepared for college, in Pratt Institute, Brooklyn, New York. In the fall of 1902, I entered Cornell University, where I took the course in mechanical engineering, and graduated after four years, in

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: W. H. RICE, I. H. MOSS, MRS. I. H. MOSS, MRS. JOSEPH BROWN, M.E.FIM PATRICK, EMIL DITTER, WM. BAUER, MRS. M. A. LOEB, AL. FOX,MRS. MARTIN MAY, JULIAN V. BOHR, MRS. P. L. ROSENBERG - M. H.SILVERMAIL, MRS. M. L. STRAUS, CHAR. ADLER, MR. R. A. SOHN, MISSRAY KIRKIN, A. J. JONES, L. H. HIRSCH, J. B. KERIN, J. FOX, MARCUSLOEB, FRED HELLERBROH, A. C. HOLLOWAY, MILTON KLEIN, MRS. J. E.SOMMERFIELD, NATHAN ODOMAL, all sworn for the defendant, testified that they were residents of the City of Atlanta, and haveknown Leo M. Frank ever

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: MISS EMILY MAYFIELD, Sworn for the defendant.I worked at the pencil factory last year during the summer of 1912. I have never been in the dressing room when Mr.Frank would come in and look at anybody that was undressing.CROSS EXAMINATION. I work at Jacob's Pharmacy. My sister used to work also at the pencil factory. I don't remember any occasion when Mr.Frank came in the dressing room door. While Miss Irene Jackson and her sister were there.MISSBS VELMA HATZ, ESTELLE, ANNIE OSBORNE, REBECCA CARSON, MAUDE WRIGHT and NOBELLA THOMAS. All sworn for the defendant,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: been there three years. Mr. Frank's general character is good. I have never heard anything against him. I have never met Mr. Frank anywhere or at any time for any immoral purpose. I have made complaint about girls flirting out of the windows with the men on the outside. After seven o'clock, the girls are not supposed to be in the dressing room. There is no toilet or bathtub in the dressing room. There is no lock on the door.CROSS EXAMINATION. They were all complaining up there on the fourth floor about the girls

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ry. I was forelady at the factory for about three years.MISS SARAH BARNES, Sworn for the defendant.I worked at the pencil factory over four years. His character is good. I have never heard anything bad. He has been the best of men.CROSS EXAMINATION. No one ever talked to me about what I was going to swear. I have told Mr. Arnold what I have told here. I never went with Mr. Frank for any immoral purpose anywhere.MISS IRINE JACKSON. Sworn for the defendant.I worked at the pencil factory for three years. So far as

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: MISS IDA HAYS, Sworn for the defendant.I work at the pencil factory on the fourth floor. I have known Mr.Frank for two years. His general character is good. I have known Conley for two years. His general character for truth and veracity is bad--I would not believe him on oath.CROSS EXAMINATION. Conley borrowed money and promised to pay it back, but he didn't do it. We would get it after awhile. He tried to borrow money from me, but I refused to let him have it.MISS BULA MAY FLOWERS, Sworn for the defendant.I work

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ARTHUR HEYMAN, Sworn for the defendant.I practiced law about nineteen years in Atlanta. I have known Leo Frank for three or four years. His general character is good.CROSS EXAMINATION. I have been with him seven or eight times in three years. I have been with him, say, I suppose, five or six times, probably for 15 or 20 minutes at a time. I have never heard any reference made to his relation with the girls in the factory.MRS. H. GLOGOWSKI, Sworn for the defendant.I keep a boarding house in this city. I have known

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: PROF. C. D. ALBERT, Sworn for the defendant.I am professor of machine designs in Cornell University.I have held that chair for five years. I knew Leo M. Frank fortwo years while he attended the university. At that time I wasInstructor in mechanical laboratory work, and as such I came in contactwith him. His character was very good.PROF. J. E. VANDERHOE, Sworn for the defendant.I am foreman of the foundry at Cornell University. I knewLeo M. Frank for two years when he attended the university. His char-acter was good.CROSS EXAMINATION. I have been in Cornell

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ALFRED LORING LANE Sworn for the defendant.I am a resident of Brooklyn, N.Y. I have known Leo Frank about 15 years. I knew him four years at Pratt Institute, which we both attended. I also knew him after he returned from Cornell University. His general character is good.PHILIP NASH, Sworn for the defendant.I live in Ridgewood, N.J. I am connected with the N.Y. Telephone Company, in New York City. I knew Leo Frank four years at Pratt Institute. I was in his class. His general character is good.RICHARD A WRIGHT, Sworn for the defendant.I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: stomachs have certain idiosyncracies. In normal stomachs is supposed to go along certain stipulated rules. You find free hydrochloric acid in any stomach that has food in any stage of digestion. As to whether you could ever find free hydrochloric acid in the stomach immediately after taking Ewald's test breakfast, would depend entirely on the state of the glands, and how long previous digestion had been in the stomach. As to the total acidity in a stomach after such a test, that is for a laboratory man. If you take cabbage out of a

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I have seen cabbage less changed than that cabbage you exhibited to me (State's Exhibit G) that has remained in the stomach 18 hours. Bread and cabbage would not begin to pass out of the stomach until 1 1/2 to three hours. A blow on the back of the head could blacken the eye. It would be perfectly possible for the epithelium of the vagina to be ruptured by the fingers in making a digital examination it would be more liable to rupture ten hours after this than immediately before this. Decomposition destroys the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: within an hour or two after death. Such a wound could be afflictedand a person remain perfectly unconscious. Fractured skull doesnot necessarily produce unconsciousness. Cabbage is a carbohydrate.It is considered the hardest food to digest among carbohydratesbecause it has so much cellulose, which is woody fibre. The olderthe cabbage is the more cellulose it has. Cabbage gets its diges-tion in the mouth. That cabbage (State's Exhibit G ) has not beenmasticated thoroughly. They have been swallowed almost whole. Rawcabbage is easier digested than cooked cabbage. Cooked cabbage isthe most indigestible form of it. It

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: his office,although I have been there a number of times, I have never heard that he smiled and winked at young girls.REDIRECT EXAMINATION. This is the letter I wrote to the Grand Jury: Mr.W.D.Beatty, Atlanta, Ga. My Dear Sir: Without having the slightest intention of interfering in any way in matters which do not concern me, I believe the interest which any good citizen has in impartial justice warrants my saying that the business men to whom I have talked, commend very strongly the attitude of the Grand Jury in its disposition to at

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: by an examination what stage of digestion certain things were in. There are so many exceptions to the rule. As to whether the cabbage had been digested or not, if whole pieces of cabbage were there I could tell, but if you could not find the cabbage either with the naked eye or the microscope, I would say that it had been digested. I don't know how long it takes an ordinary stomach to digest turnips. If a 13 year old child ate cabbage and bread on Saturday and her body was found that

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: chemical analysis of the liquids of the stomach or by the condition of the cabbage lodged in the stomach as to how long it had been in the stomach.CROSS EXAMINATION. I am not a specialist of the stomach, but I am and have been teaching diseases of the stomach and all these cases come under my jurisdiction. Dr. Westmoreland is a surgeon, not a stomach specialist. Dr. Hancock is not a stomach specialist. If you find starch granules in the stomach undigested and cabbage undigested and thirty two degrees of hydrochloric acid in the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: DR. W. S. KENDRICK, Sworn for the defendant.I have been a practicing physician for thirty-five years. I was Dean of the Atlanta Medical College. I gave Dr. Harris his first position there. If a young lady between thirteen and fourteen years of age died and a post mortem examination was made within eight or ten hours after death, by a physician who make a digital and visual examination to determine whether there is any violence to the vagina or not, and inserted his fingers for the purpose of deciding, and the body is embalmed,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: It nor the pepsin would be present in any degree 8 or 10 days after death. Embalming fluid destroys the pancreatic juices so that it would be impossible to find them. Babbage like that (State Exhibit G) is liable to obstruct the opening of the pyloris, and to delay digestion. Food of that character might remain in the stomach undigested for 10 or 12 hours irrespective of the acid found there. If shortly after death a doctor makes a digital and visual examination of the vagina, opening the walls of the vagina with his

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: described above, it would bleed and if the body lay in one place30 or 40 minutes, there would be bleeding and if the body ispicked up and carried about 40 feet and dropped at another placeI would expect to find blood there. All wounds bleed very freely,and there would be blood wherever the body was.Dr. J. C. OLSTEAD, Sworn for the defendant,Practicing Physician for 36 years. Given the facts that a younglady 13 or 14 years old died and 8 or 10 hours after death thebody was embalmed with a preparation containing 8% Formaldehyde,and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: could be inflicted after death. As long as the blood id not coagulated. A lick on the back of the head could produce a black eye.CROSS EXAMINATION. There are sexual inverts who are absolutely normal in physical appearance. If I had a subject where there was a blow on the head, going practically to the skull, with no injury to the brain, and the face was livid, the tongue hanging out, with deep indentation in the neck, the flesh pushed out of place, with blue nails and lips, I would say that death was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ten days after death. Many things retard digestion. Much depends upon the particular stomach,and its affinity for particular foods. There is a cycle of acidity and in the progress of digestion that increases, and then later it goes down. Food that is not thoroughly emulsified will remain in the stomach indigestly. cabbage like that (State's Exhibit G) and wheat bread, might remain in the stomach until the process of digestion is complete, which ordinarily would be from three and a half to four hours. They might pass through the body undigested. A formaldehyde embalming

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: blow on the outside of the head by concussion without any appreciable lesion on the outside of the head.DR. WILLIS F. WESTMORELAND, sworn for the defendant.DIRECT EXAMINATION. A practicing physician for twenty eight years, general practice and surgery. A professor of surgery for twenty years, and formerly president of the State Board of Health. If the body of a girl between thirteen and fourteen years old was embalmed about ten hours after death, after taking out a gallon of fluid and putting in a gallon of embalming fluid, of which 8% is formaldehyde and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: resulting from the condition of the contents of the stomach irrespective of acidity or the other chemical qualities as to how long cabbage and wheat bread were in the stomach can be given where particles like that (State's Exhibit 6) are found. Where a young lady 13 or 14 years old died, her body is embalmed as above described, and a post mortem performed 9 or 10 days after death, and the physician finds the epithelium detached from the walls of the vagina in several places nothing being visible to the naked eye and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: no interference with the brain or any pressure on the brain, nodoctor could tell that long after death whether or not the woundwould have produced unconsciousness, because the skull may be brokenand considerable hemorrhage and depression of bone without any loss ofmemory even. There is no outside physical indication of any sortthat a man could find that can tell whether it produced unconscious-ness or not. If the body was found 8 or 10 or 12 hours after deathwith that wound and some blood appears to have flowed out of thewound, that wound would have

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: and no maltose would not necessarily mean that digestion had not progressed very far, because free hydrochloric acid may have appeared soon after the food entered the stomach and stopped starch digestion. In the average case I would say that starch had not been in the stomach very long. In an ordinary normal stomach you might find maltose before the food reaches the stomach, even in the mouth, it depends on mastication. If I did not find it in the mouth or stomach I could not say how long digestion had progressed. I was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: or ten days, a gallon of the liquids of the body having been taken out and a gallon of embalming fluid put in it, and if I further found the acidity of the stomach to be 34 degrees and practically no pepsin, and practically nothing in the lower intestine, the body having been embalmed with formaldehyde, it would be impossible for me or any other chemist or physician to tell anything about the time it had been in the stomach. The acidity of the stomach does not suffice to show it, because it may

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: This cabbage (State's Exhibit G) I don't think has been masticated at all so far as these pieces are concerned. There can be no doubt that these pieces would retard the digestion and the passage from the stomach into the small intestine. The presence of such cabbage would make it very uncertain as to telling before the food would pass out of the stomach. I couldn't say and I don't think anybody could say, how long cabbage and wheat bread in such condition would stay in the stomach. As far as wheat bread and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: The pancreatic juice helps digestion mostly in the smallintestine. It consists of water in organic salts of which sodiumcarbonate is the most important, and a number of ferments. The or-dinary time that it takes wheat bread to pass out of the stomachis not less than three hours. The time for a meal consisting ofcabbage cooked for about an hour and wheat biscuit to pass out ofthe stomach depends a great deal upon the mastication of the food.The times given above have reference to the most favorable condi-tions. If the cabbage is not well chewed,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ahead of time when they are going to be relieved. It isn't a matter of impossibility to keep the men from coming in ahead of time, but we do have it. The English Ave. line is a hard schedule. It frequently happens that the English Avenue car outs off the River car, and the Marietta car. I have seen the English ave. car out of the Fair St.car, which is due at five after the hour.K. H. THOMAS, sworn for the defendant.I am a civil engineer. I measured the distance from the intersection of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of the dining room at all. Moving up into the kitchen,near thepassage way, I could see nothing but the top of one chair by look-ing in the mirror.CROSS EXAMINATION. The view that you did get of the mirror woulddepend upon where I stood in the kitchen. I can only speak from theconditions that existed as I saw them as to the arrangement offurniture.JULIUS A. FISOHER, Sworn for the defendant.I am a contractor and builder. I looked at the house of thedefendant at 69 E.Georgia Ave. Standing in the kitchen door, I hadvery little view

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: at the Selig residence,T. H. WILLETT, Sworn for the defendant.I am a-pattern maker. I made the pattern of Penoil Factory from a blue print. This is the model (Exhibit 33 for defendant).CROSS EXAMINATION. The height of the fixtures is not made according to scale. The floor plan is a correct representation, according to the blue print. The windows in Mr.Frank's office were not put in by me.REDIRECT EXAMINATION. I was given no instructions except to follow the ground floor plan as shown on the blue print. This is the blue print, (defendant's exhibit 85)

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: into the inner office, to Mr. Frank's desk, or a man sitting there. Exhibit 67 for defendant shows the pay window. Defendant's exhibit 68 shows foot of the elevator showing the rubbish and barrels in and adjacent to the elevator shaft. Defendant's exhibit 69 shows the basement looking to the back door to the elevator shaft. Defendant's exhibit 70 represents the back corner of the place where the body was found, the body being found just about the left corner, her head behind the partition. Defendant's exhibit 71 shows the exit to the back

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: from the back steps and about 38 feet from where the body is saidto have been found. The back door is 165 feet from the elevatorand the total length is 200 feet. I saw no furniture,except a bunkwith old dirty sacks,which were very filthy. The floor of the basementis dirt and ashes. The trash pile is 150 feet from where the body wasfound and it is 21 feet from where the body was found to the coloredtoilet, and 42 feet from where the body was found to the back door.The angle from the colored

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: of the metal room doors. They were six feet wide exactly fromjab to jab. The doors are usually open. If any one came up thestair case and turned to the office they could see through themetal room doors. The floors of the metal room are very dirty.I don't know if the window are clean, but you can see through them.L.U. KAUFFMAN, Sworn for the defendant.I made a drawing of the Selig Residence on Georgia Avenue, inthis city, showing the kitchen, dining room, the reception room,parlor and passage way between the kitchen and dining room.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: The pantomime that we enacted at the factory was the story as told by Jim Conley on the stand.ISAAC HAAS(Sworn for the defendant.I know Leo M. Frank for over five years. His character is very good. I did not hear my telephone ring on Sunday morning,April 27th. My wife heard it. The telephone is only two feet from my bed.CROSS EXAMINATION. My wife waked me up when she answered the telephone.A.H. ANDERSON. Sworn for the defendant.I work at the Atlanta National Bank. That is the original pass book of Leo M. Frank (Defendant's exhibit

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Mr. Brent didn't get in the wardrobe, he was too big. He went to wardrobe and we eliminated the time he was supposed to be there. A small man could have got in it. They did not write out the notes. We eliminated that also. Standing in the wardrobe and writing the notes was not included in the sixteen and a half minutes it took. It was said that Conley's testimony was to the effect that he was in the wardrobe eight minutes. The notes were supposed to have taken from 12 to 14

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: weighing about 107 pounds, back. Mr.Brent enacted everything that was supposed to have been done by Conley. Mr Fleming played the part of Mr. Frank. Neither one of these gentlemen are connected with the pencil factory. In putting the cloth around the corpse I think they actually gained time. They did it really faster than it could have been done. Mr. Herbert Haas did most of the reading of the directions. There were no feet hanging out of the sack sack like the body would. As to whether it isn't much easier to handle

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ohair and looks down at Frank.Frank grabs scratch pad from type-writer table and starts to make memorandum upon paper, but hishand trembles so he couldn't.Frank gets up to goj, Frank: "Now, Jimyou keep your mouth shut, do you hear?" Conley: "All right, I willkeep my mouth shut, and I will be back here in forty minutes."Conley goes out. It took us eighteen and a half minutes by the watchto go through the movements and conversation, (as above set forth)which Conley says took place between him and Frank on Saturday,April26th. The experiment was made as

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: smiling and rubbing his hands, runs his hands in his pocket and pulls out a roll of bills; Frank says:"There is $200.00:" Conley takes the money and looks at it a little bit; Conley: Mr. Frank, don't you pay another dollar watch man comes, I'll pay him myself;" Frank:"All right, I want see what you want a watch for, either, that big fat wife of mine, she wanted me to buy her an automobile, and I wouldn't do it; pause, I will tell you the best way, you go down in the basement, you

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: carried it out and laid her down, and Conley opened the cloth and rolled her out on the floor, and Frank turned around and went on up the ladder, and Conley carries the body back to where the body was found; Conley goes around in back of the boiler, and notices her hat and slipper and a piece of ribbon;and Conley said:"Mr.Frank, what am I going to do with these things?" and Mr. Frank said: "leave them right there"; and Conley threw them in front of the boiler; Conley goes to the elevator, and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: contributed anything to any fund for his defence. I have not heardof any such fund.DR WM. OWENS, sworn for the defendant.I am a physician. I am also engaged in the real estate bus-iness. At the request of the defence I went through certain expe-riments in the pencil factory to ascertain how long it would take togo through Jim Conley's movements relative to moving the body ofMary Phagan. I kept the time while the other men were going throughwith the performance. I followed them and kept the time. Mr.Wilsonof the Atlanta Baggage Co/ also kept

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to Whitfield and said "take it to the door and see what it is". It was pretty dark in there. Right in-the-same corner, I also found a club (defendants exhibit 48). It was standing upon the doorway with some iron pipes. The club is used by the night man as a roller to roll boxes and barrels on. The iron pipes there were used for the same purpose. The stains on the club were either paint or blood, I don't know which. I found this little stick back of the front door (State's exhibit

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: occasionally when she went to work. He said nothing as to havingseen the girl on Saturday and coming in on the car with her. Idirected my questions to both the children.CROSS EXAMINATION. I was not seeking evidence for the defendant.There was no defendant at that time. This was on Sunday, the daythe body was found, I have been working under the direction of Mr.Olofein, city editor.Olofein visited Frank in jail. At that time Mr.Frank had not been mentioned in connection with the case at all.At the time of the interview with the little girl

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: no way of dividing the time. I should say that perhaps he was talking and not acting for about fifteen minutes. Of course he was talking all the time that he was acting. I did not say that I thought he was talking half of the time.REDIRECT EXAMINATION. In going through his performance he walked very rapidly. We were almost on a trot behind him. I was at the factory fifty minutes while he enacted his story. I left him after he had written one note in Mr.Frank's office. He wrote the notes rapidly.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: undertakers, I didn't see the impress of the cord on the neck. Ijust took one look and then came right out again. I saw the dis-coloration of the eye and that bruise and I sort of felt sick andI walked right out.REDIRECT EXAMINATION - I am a German and I am accustomed to drinkingmy beer, I have never trusted Jim Conley after he put water in mybeer.HARLEE BRANCH, Sworn for the defendant.I work for the Atlanta Journal. I had an interview with JimConley on two occasions. On May 31, he told me he didn't

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Just sweep 14* np. I was at the undertakers Sunday afternoon twoo'clock when Frank was there. Mr.Quinn,Mr.Zeganki,Mr.Darley and Mr.Schiff were there. I looked at the body with Mr. Zeganks. No oneelse was present. I have known Jim Conley about two years. Hisgeneral character for truth and veracity is very bad therefore,Iwould not believe him on oath.CROSS EXAMINATION - same came from B. DorseyI do not belong to him or no kin to Mr.Frank or any of his people.I have never heard anything saidagainst conley,except since Frank was indicted. I also heard he wasin the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Rosser. He considered Scott as working for the city. He included Scott with the rest of the detectives. Mr. Frank looked very much disappointed because the Grand Jury had just ignored him when he expected to be cleared. Mr. Frank has a great many friends who constantly visited him in jail.NATHAN GOPIAN. Sworn for the defendant.I remember last Thanksgiving Day was a very disagreeable day. I don't remember whether it snowed. The B'nai B'rith is a charitable organization here composed of young men. They gave a dance out at the Jewish Orphans Home Thanksgiving

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: never,at any time,heard Mr.Frank ask Conley to come back on anySaturday. I have never seen Mr.Frank bring in any women into thefactory. I have never seen Jim Conley guarding or watching the door.I have never seen Jim take newspapers and look at it, but I don'tknow if he read them or not. I have seen him read papers at thestation house like he was reading them.CROSS EXAMINATIONI was arrested Monday,April 33th,about half pastnine. I saw Mr.Frank before I was arrested. He was on the secondfloor.HENRY SMITH,Sworn for the defendant.I work at the pencil factory

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Penoll Company on Saturdays. Since that time I have worked off and on at the factory on Saturdays doing extra work. I have also been up to the office Saturday afternoons, frequently during the past twelve months. I was there while Mr. Sohiff was off on his trip. I was up at the office on the Saturday afternoon after Mr. Sohiff went away. Mr. Holloway, Mr. Sohiff, Mr. Frank and the office boy were there. I have never seen any women in Mr. Frank's office on the Saturdays I have been there.CROSS EXAMINATION. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to see Mrs. Taylor, who lived with him then. That was the only placeI have ever seen him. I never have been to the factory on Saturdayor any other day. I never introduced him to Mr.Frank. There isn'ta word of truth in that. I have never gone down in the basement withthis fellow,Dalton. I don't even know where the basement is at all.I have never been anywhere in the factory, except at my work.CROSS EXAMINATION. I have never been in jail.Mr.W.M.Smith got me outof jail. Somebody told a tale on me, that's why I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: CHARLIE LEE, Sworn for the defendant,I am a machinist at the pencil factory. I remember the accident to Duffy in the metal room. His finger was hurt on the eyelet machine, about Oct.4,1912. It bled freely and the blood spouted out. There was a lot of the blood on the floor. He went down the hall to the office, by the ladies dressing room. There was blood at that point. Gilbert also got hurt in the metal room last year. He was bandaged in the office also. In going from the metal room to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: PHILIP CHAMBERS, Sworn for the defendant.I am 15 years old. I started working for them Dec.13,1912, as office boy at the pencil factory. I left there March 29,1913. I stayed in the outer office. On Saturdays I stayed until 4.30 and sometimes until 5 o'clock. I never left before 4.30 on Saturdays. I would go to dinner about 1.30 and get back at 3. Sometimes on Saturdays I would be sent to Montag for 15 minutes, to get the mail. I would sometimes go out to the Bell St plant to send the payroll

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I would stay in the outer office. I never left the factory on Saturday afternoon. I have never known Mr.Frank to have any women in his office drinking or doing anything else.CROSS EXAMINATION. I never stayed in the factory Saturday afternoon in the Summer months. Every other Saturday afternoon then I got off at one o'clock. No I don't know anything about Mr.Schiff and Mr. Frank and others taking women down the alley on Forsyth St. and around the back door. He said did not have any women in the factory when I was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I would be sometimes there so late the shipping olerk would be gone. I have never found the front door looked on a Saturday afternoon.I have never seen Jim Conley watching there Saturday afternoon. I have never seen him guarding the door. I have never seen him around the factory at all Saturday afternoon. I have never found the doors to Mr.Frank's inner or outer office looked. Both doors have glass windows in them. Anybody could see through them. I have sometimes found Mr. Schiff working there with Mr.Frank on Saturday afternoon. I did

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: when he was at my house Sunday morning. He had already been to the undertakers. He told me they had taken him into a dark room and flashed on a light, and he said he saw the little girl there. He described how she looked. He said her face was scratched and her eye was discolored, and she seemed to have a gash in her head. Her mouth was full of sawdust and he described her in a general way. He did not call my attention to his being nervous. He did not say

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: vous than we were about the murder when we saw him that morning. I was very much agitated and trembled. My wife commenced to cry and was very nervous. I saw no marks, scratches or discolorations of any sort on his face, and there were no spots on his clothing. I went to the factory that morning and made a general examination, in -cluding the metal room. We saw nothing on the floor. Frank was very much agitated and nervous when he told us about the occurr-ence. We have a great many accidents in

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: after I got there. His wife went to bed soon afterwards.MRS.EMIL SELIG, Recalled for the defendant.(Witness denies categorically that any of the contents ofMinola McKnight's affidavit (Defendant's exhibit J)are true.) I have neverraised Minola's wages one penny since she has been with me.CROSS EXAMINATION. I didn't see Albert McKnight at my house on Sat-urday. He has been to the house two or three times. I was in bedwhen Mr.and Mrs.Frank went down stairs Sunday morning in responseto the ringing of the telephone. Mr.Frank got home about eleveno'clock Sunday morning and then ate his breakfast.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: MRS. A. E. MARCUS, sworn for the defendant.I am a sister of Mrs. Leo M. Frank. I played cards Saturday night at Mrs. Selig's. Mr. Frank was there sitting out in the hall reading, and Mrs. Frank was going in and out of the room. Mr. Frank went to bed after ten o'clock. I noticed nothing unusual about him, no bruises, marks or signs.CROSS EXAMINATION. He came in one time and told us something funny about a baseball joke. We were still playing when he went to bed.MRS. H. MARCUS, sworn for the defendant.I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: CROSS EXAMINATION. On Sunday, Mr. Frank when he was at the house told us he had been called downtown and that this little girl was murdered, and he told what a horrible crime it was. He did not say who committed it. He said nothing about employing a lawyer. He said nothing about how he slept the night before. I think he told about being at the undertakers in the afternoon. I did not hear him say anything about his visit to the undertakers in the morning. He said he had been taken down

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: look at it. It had numbers of pencils and prices on it. That letter was read in Hotel MoAlpin, in Mr.Mose Frank's room. As to what relatives Mr.Frank has in Brooklyn, my brother-in-law Mr.Bennett is a clerk at $18 a week. My son-in-law Mr.Schwartz is in the retail cigar business. As to what my means of support are, we have about $20,000, out at interest, my husband and I, at six per cent. We own the house we live in. We have a $6,000.mortgage on it. The house is worth about $10,000. My husband

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: two important orders as to their shipments and he replied that hecouldn't tell whether they had been shipped or not, but that if Iwould return to the factory with him he would show me the duplicateinvoices and let me see for myself. I replied that I would not havetime to go back, as I had lots of orders. He says: "If you can'tcome now, come this afternoon." And then he walked in to Mr.Montag'soffice, and as he went into the office he said "Come up now, or comeup after dinner."CROSS EXAMINATION. I saw Frank

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I didn't think she should go until she finished Mr.Montag's mail. He said something she then about her coming over in the afternoon, and I said I didn't think she ought to work over there as it wasn't her work, and I told her not to do it, but I told her if she got through with Mr.Montag's mail, she could go over there that morning and help him, if she could assist him in anyway.CROSS EXAMINATION. I have never seen Frank write any of the documents which I say are in his handwriting.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ALONZO MANN, Sworn for the defendant.I am office boy at the National Pencil Company. I began working there April 1st, 1913. I sit sometimes in the outer office and stand around in the outer hall. I left the factory about half past eleven on April 26th. When I left there Miss Hall, the stenographer from Montag, was in the office with Mr.Frank. Mr.Frank told me to phone to Mr. Schiff and tell him to come down. I telephoned him, but the girl answered the phone and said he hadn't got up yet.I telephoned once.

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Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 24about half past ten. It sounded like a boy's voice. It said,"Tell Mr. Schiff Mr. Frank wanted him at his office." Mr. Schiffwas asleep at the time. I waked him up and he said, "Tell Mr.Frank I will be there as soon as I can get dressed." And I re-peated the message to the boy and told him what Mr. Schiff said.Then Mr. Schiff went back to sleep again. The same voice calledup Mr. Schiff again about eleven o'clock. Said he wanted Mr.Schiff to come down to the office. Mr. Schiff told me to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 23As he read it he kinder grinned. He told me he believed Mr.Frank was just as innocent as the angels from Heaven. Iknow his general character. He was never known totellthe truth.I would not believe him on oath.CROSS EXAMINATIONI saw the dark red spots by the water cooler in the metalroom where they had chipped up something. Something white wasdropped all over it. The spots did not look like they had beensmeared over. Looked like a plain drop of blood. I think itwas paint because there was paint used there all the time. Theyasked

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: It was before this murder took place. I did not see Mrs. Carson talk to Jim on Tuesday or Wednesday. I saw I worked in one end of the building and I worked in the other. I saw Mr. Frank and Miss Carson talking business between eight and nine o'clock on Tuesday. They stopped right in front of my machine. Mr. Frank went downstairs and Miss Carson went on back to her work. He used to come up there frequently. Conley was standing at the elevator. He was standing with his hand on a

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: a single thing immoral that he did do in those five years. I have never heard of his going in the girls' dressing room. I have never heard of his slapping girls as he would go by. I have never heard Mr. Frank talk to Mary. I have never heard of the time Mr. Frank had her off in the corner there when she was trying to go back to work.DIRECT EXAMINATIONMRS DORA SMALL Sworn for the defendant.I worked on the fourth floor of the pencil factory for five years. I saw Jim Conley

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: On Wednesday I said the same thing and he answered the same thing.On Thursday when I said that to him again he said, "No, I ain'tdone nothing." I said, "Jim, you know Mr. Frank never did that,"and he says, "No, Mr. Frank is as innocent as you is, and I knowyou is." I said, "Jim, whenever they find the murderer of MaryPhagan it's going to be that nigger that was sitting near the ele-vator when Mrs. White went upstairs. He laid his broom down thenand went out." I would not believe Conley on oath.CROSS

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 18CROSS EXAMINATION.He made that remark to me about 8 o'clock Monday morning and I went right back and told my mother of it. The elevator makes enough noise to know it is running. You don't notice it when the machinery is running. You wouldn't know whether it was running or not unless your attention is directed to it. I had looked at the clock five minutes before I saw Mr. Frank in front of Rich's. I had just looked at the clock also before I saw him going into Jacob's. I am certain of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 17was very thick. I have been to see Mr. Frank once in jail. Imentioned to him that I saw him that day. Mr. Frank and I wereonly business friends. We have had pleasant business transac-tions and also controversies. I did not go to jail to talkit over with him. I went there because I had been knowing himfor five or six years and was interested in him, because he wasimplicated in the case. We were not personal friends, but havehad a great many business dealings with each other and I naturallyfelt an interest in

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 16recognized his machine. It was going down the street. I recognized it by the dark color. It's park light in front of the car so close as to hit the car and that's what called it to my attention. The top of the machine was up and the sides were open. The car was a dark maroon color and seats from four to seven passengers. I don't know the number of it. I just saw a dark maroon car. I found out afterwards that it was Mrs. Hinchey's. I only noticed that particular automobile

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 15CROSS EXAMINATIONThe time is fixed in my mind because we ate dinner about half past one and we had just finished. I was not looking for any scratches or bruises, but I certainly would have seen them if they had been there. I was close enough to him to have seen him.JULIAN LOEB Sworn for the defendantsI live at 380 Washington Street, across the street from the Wolfheimer residence. I am a cousin of Mrs. Frank. I saw Mr. Frank on April 26th in front of the Wolfheimer residence. I was there when he

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to speak to me. 367 Washington street is three doors above Georgia Avenue. I saw him take the car at the corner of Glenn and Washington St.JEROME MICHAEL, Sworn for the defendant.I live in Athens, I was in Atlanta on April 26th. I took dinner at Mrs. Wolfsheimer's residence at 367 Washington Street. I saw Mr. Frank upon that day between five minutes to 2 and 2 o'clock. I know it was that time because I had an engagement with a young lady and I had a watch in my hand most of the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: CROSS EXAMINATIONI noticed that Mr. Frank got off at 1120, because I was looking at the clock. I was waiting the car for my son. I had already had lunch. I could not wait for him. He tried to get me over the phone but could not reach me. The reason I knew it was that time I was looking at my clock and noting the cars as they passed and my son had not come yet. That was the only reason I would have noticed it.RE-DIRECT EXAMINATIONMy childred on Memorial Day instead of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: until almost three o'clock. There was plenty of room on that corner. I stood there from five minutes after one until twenty minutes after me. After I met my friend we went back to Kress. I did not speak to Mr. Frank. He was standing up against the building up Alabama Street. It was not real crowded up Alabama Street. You could not stand in the middle of the sidewalk. I got a clear view of Mr. Frank. I don't think he saw me. I don't think he would have recognized me because he

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 311.RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION.My health is bad and I am under care to hear much of the facts of the crime at the time. I was operated on the next day. Mr. Frank spared my feelings. These are the clothes Mr. Frank wore on April 26th (Defendant's Exhibit 49).MISS HELEN KERNS Sworn for the defendant.I work for the Dodson Medicine Company as stenographer. My father works for Montag. I took shorthand under Professor Briscoe last winter. I have seen Mr. Frank in his factory. I went there with Professor Briscoe to get a job. I didn't

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Our party broke up about half past eleven. I did not hear the telephoning early Sunday morning, I had the scratches on Frank Sunday morning.CROSS EXAMINATION.I have never seen the servants move that sideboard. I say it was about 1:20 when Mr. Frank came home to lunch, because I left town about 1:10. The car reaches our corner between 1:10 and 1:20. I got home a little after one, about 1:10. Mr. Frank may have laid down and taken a nap after dinner. I don't know. I laid down and took a nap. Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: KEIL SELIG. Sworn for the defense.I am Mr. Frank's father-in-law. My wife and I live with Mr. Frank and his wife. The kitchen in our house is next to the dining room. There is a small passage way between them. The sideboard in the dining room is in the same position now, as it has always been. Mr. Frank took breakfast before I did on April 26th and left the house before I breakfasted. I got back home to dinner at about 11:15. My wife and Mrs. Frank were eating then. They told me

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 7and made me sign something before they would let me loose, but itwasn't true. I signed it to get out of jail, because they saidthey would not let me out. It was all written out for me beforethey made me sign it.CROSS-EXAMINATION.I signed that statement (State's Exhibit "J"), but I didn'ttell you some of the things you got in there. I didn't say heleft home about three o'clock. I said somewhere about two.I did not say he was not there at one o'clock. Mr. Graves andMr. Pickett, of Beck & Gregg Hardware Co., came

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 65ing his hands together. We left McKnight in the factory when we left there two blocks before they saidMINOLA McKNIGHT (c) Sworn for the defendant:I work for Mrs. Selig. I cook for her. Mr. and Mrs. Frank live with Mr. and Mrs. Selig. His wife is Mrs. Selig's daughter. I cooked breakfast for the family on April 26th. Mr. Frank finished his breakfast a little after eleven o'clock. Mr. Frank came to dinner about 20 minutes after one o'clock. That was not the dinner hour, but Mrs. Frank and Mrs. Selig were going off

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I left at ten minutes after three, I saw Mr. Frank. Mr. White and I came down together. Before we went out, Mr. Frank came up- stairs about three o'clock and asked was we getting out, and we told him we were getting ready to go right now. We were washing right then. When we came out we saw Mr. Frank at his desk in his office writing. Mr. White borrowed $2 from him. He did not look nervous or unusual. You can look down from the landing on the third floor and see

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: have been as early as twenty minutes after 12 that I got to the factory, because I had reckoned my time down from leaving home and the number of stops, and I said that it have been between 12:20 and 12:25.HARRY DENHAM, Sworn for the Defendant.I work on the fourth floor of the pencil factory. I was paid off Friday, April 25. I came back Saturday to do some work. Mr.Darley asked me to come back. I had to work on the machinery when it was not running. It was the only time I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: mention it at the coroner's inquest. This was Tuesday after-noon. I told you in the statement I gave you that I could notswear positively as to the time I was at the factory. I said Igot to the pool room between 12:20 and 12:30. I had been up inthe factory before I met Newt, Freeman and Miss Hall at the BusyBee. I was in the office and saw Mr. Frank between 12:20 and12:25. At the time I made the statement to you that I was there-between 12:00 and 12:05 I had reckoned the time

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: were out of material and she was laid off for the rest of theweek. I have never seen Mr. Frank speak to her. I went tothe factory on April 26th, to see Mr. Schiff. He was not there.I often go to the factory on Saturdays and holidays. The streetdoors were open when I got there. I did not see Mary Phagan, norJim Conley, nor Montie Stover. The doors to Mr. Frank's innerand outer office were open. The time I reached Mr. Frank'soffice was about 12:20. I saw Mr. Frank on Sunday at Bloomfield'sundertaking establishment

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: LEMOIE QUINN, Sworn for the Defendant:I am foreman of the metal department. Barrett pointed outto me where he claimed to have found blood spots on the met-al room floor. He asked me whether I thought that he (Barrett)would get the reward if Frank were convicted. He told me thatseveral people told him that he had a good chance to get the re-ward. He said a fellow told him that he would get $2700 onetime and $4500 the other time. He mentioned that reward to meon several occasions. The floor on the metal room is

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: WADE CAMPBELL, Sworn for the defendantsI have been working for the pencil factory for about a year and a half. I had a conversation with my sister, Mrs. Arthur White, on Monday April 28th. She told me that she had seen a negro sitting at the elevator shaft when she went in the factory at twelve o'clock on Saturday and that as she came out at 12:30, she heard low voices, but couldn't see anybody. On April 26, I got to the factory about 9:30. Mr. Frank was in his outer office. He was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: from my department. It covers all the different classes of work where the goods were finished.CROSS EXAMINATION. I always turn those reports in Friday night or early Saturday morning. They don't touch Friday's work.MISS MAGNOLIA KENNEDY, sworn for the defendant.I have been working for the pencil factory for about four years, in the metal department. I drew my pay on Friday, April 25, from Mr. Schiff at the pay window. Helen Ferguson was there when I went up there. I was behind her and had my hand on her shoulder. Mr. Frank was not

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to two men between the outer office and the clock. He was dis-missing those two men when we came in there. White and the stenographer were in the office then also. As we were going up the steps,Mr.Frank called to Mrs.Freeman to tell Arthur White to come down thathis wife wanted to see him. On the fourth floor we saw May Barrett,Arthur White and Harry Denham. When we left the factory, the foll-owing people were still there: Arthur White, Mrs.White, MayBarrett, her daughter, Harry Denham, the stenographer and Mr. Frank.CROSS EXAMINATION. We met Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 26data, that he couldn't fix the financial sheet until Mr.Schiffgot up the data, and he had Alonzo Mann telephone him to come overover there to do it, but Mr.Schiff didn't come while I was thereI said at the coroner's inquest that I didn't see Mr.Frank work-ing on any of these books that day. He was in the outer of-fice and he was in the inner office. There wasn't any such look-ing sheet as the financial on his desk, when I was in there hewas at work on a pile of letters and things like

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: writing about two minutes after he finished dictating the letters. I don't know how long it took me to write them. I am not a very rapid typist. During the time I was writing, Mr.Frank was in the inside office, except when he came out to talk to Mrs. White and came to the door with those men. After typing them, I took them into him to sign. He folded the letters and put them in the envelopes himself. He did not ask me to stay until he looked over the letters. As to

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ...requisition sheets. The entering of the requisition was done after I acknowledged the orders, because when they enter them the house order number is put on them when they are put in the book and there was no house order number when I acknowledged them. Therefore, it had to be done afterwards. The requisition sheets are not made out until they are entered on the house order book and then acknowledged and then the requisition sheets are made. These eight letters (defendant's exhibit 8) were dictated to me Saturday morning by Mr. Frank and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: That was about half an hour before he came over to Montag Bros. I had called him up to get a duplicate bill of lading and in the course of the conversation, I asked him if he would need me over there that morning, on account of his having an inexperienced stenographer over there, I had been going over there all during the month of April on that account. He said "Please come over I have some work for you to do". It was 20 or 30 minutes after that that he came over

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: total $396.75, instead of $386.29.RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION. In making out this sheet Mr. Frank had to make about 40 multiplications and 50 additions. The mistake is not a serious one.HERBERT G. SCHIFF. Recalled for cross examination.The books show that $4 was loaned to Arthur White. I made the entry in the book. The $2. was for what Mr. Frank loaned him that day and $2.00 I loaned him the middle of next week. As to where the entry is that Mr. Frank lent Arthur White $2. these slips are not kept after we tear it

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: estimate, I have tried to make my figures sufficiently conservative to make allowance for a man in charge of the work. I have tried to show it done in the quickest possible time. I think it will be wonderful to make it in less time than that. I think a man who could make it out and verify it as well as went along, it would take the whole afternoon.C. R. POLLARD. Sworn for the defendant.I am an expert accountant. I was called into this matter for the purpose of seeing the length of

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 29nature for a jeweler for a watch. The detectives found the information by coming to the factory. The negroes always ate in the basement. Conley was familiar with the basement. Mr. Dorsey subpoenaed me to his office, he subpoenaed some of the others. I think he phoned to me. Empty sacks are usually moved a few hours after they are taken off the cotton.BE CROSS EXAMINATION. I had no objection to coming to your (Mr. Dorsey's) office. I offered to assist you in any way I could. No, it was not Mr. Frank's custom

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: REDIRECT EXAMINATION. When I stated that it took two and a half hours to three hours to make up the financial sheet, I meant with out any interruptions. We have quite a few interruptions on Saturdays, salesmen drop in, draymen and people come in, for their envelopes after we have paid off. When I said to Mr.Dorsey that he might do the work from 8.30 to 10.30, I had reference purely to the financial sheet, making the entries in the house order book, requisitions and dictating the correspondence, I did not include. The correspondence

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: it by the whistle in back of us every day at twelve o'clock. We don't set it every time we hear the whistle- though. We have had unreliable people at the factory. We give them a trial. I knew that Conley was unreliable a good while ago. Found it out the first time I ever spoke to him. When we found that we couldn't trust him we took him off the elevator. Mr. Darley and I did it. We didn't take it up with Frank. Girls in the factory have told me about his

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 26B'nai B'rith affair, which Mr.Frank went to and I helped himcarry his packages to the car. As far as my remembering every Saturdaythat I have been there for six months previous, I have never lost aday from the factory since I have been there with the exception ofmy vacation. I was with Mr.Frank until half past twelve on Thanks-giving Day, when I left him at the corner of Mitchell and Alabama,where he caught a Washington Street car. I don't know what he didthat afternoon. I do know that I remained at the factory everySaturday

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I say he did work on the average sheet on Saturday because those orders came in that day. I know they could not have been entered the Thursday before and that they were entered in fact Saturday because I had gone over the orders and find that they average the same thing that he has got on the average sheet. None of the orders came in the factory before Saturday morning because they were not there Friday night when I left. I am sure of that. I have never known Mr. Frank to leave

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: It is true that he could have done all of the work in two hours and a half. I didn't hear him say that he could have done it in an hour and a half. The work that have just been over and the entries in the book and the letters that he dictated to the stenographer is the sum total of all the work that I have seen done on the books in the office on April 26th. Mr. Frank and I were not paid off on the 25th, or 26th. In addition

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 23but you got three sheets to get them from,one line on all threesheets and the total,making six lines altogether. It is not easyto say how long that would take. It is merely looking at those thingsand putting them down,you have got to over it,and get the differentclasses of goods that we pack and take it and put it under the headof the specialty,that is the head of the class of goods manufac-tured that week. You must have the slat record. I haven't got theslat record here. It certainly is different from this. It comesfrom

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: when I left Friday night. I left Friday night at half past six. I didn't go to the factory on Saturday morning. I have never timed Mr.Frank entering those orders. I said I guess it would take him thirty minutes to actually enter them. After entering them he mu-st transcribe and acknowledge them. The initials "H.H" on these orders(Defendant's exhibits 14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24), means Miss Hattie Hall, the stenographer. "H.G.S." on these regulations (Defendant's exhibit 25 to 35 inclusive) are my initials, means that I checked the order and O.K.'d it and its gone. Miss Hattie

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 31the detectives got to the factory,Frank was at the Station House. He wastherenearly all morning. He phoned me first about twelve o'clock, and then again about twelve thirty. He wanted to see if wecould not injustice to all the employees try to sift this thingdown, and he suggested getting the Pinkerton. He phoned againnear one o'clock. Mr.Frank spoke about his nervousness. He didn'ttalk a great deal about it. He may have spoken to me one or twiceabout it. I think one time he explained to me how terrible thegirl looked and the other time

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: (Defendant's exhibits 25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) are in Mr.Frank's handwriting and are O.K. by me when I check it, which meansthat we ship the goods. All of the goods called for by these ordershave been shipped out by me after being O.K.'d with the exceptionof the order of R.E. Kindell and Company 7197 (Defendant's exhibit34), which was cancelled by letter. None of these orders were atthe pencil company factory when I left there Friday night, and theywere there when I got back on Monday. The work of looking overthe orders and intering them in the order book

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 18The next item he entered was "House order 7188,F.W.WOOLWORTH, Store 68, Terre Haute Ind." That was to be filed at once. He would send an acknowledgement card for every order we received. If the order wasn't understood, he would write. The next item he entered was "House order 7189 Woolworth Store 53,Logansport,Ind." to be shipped at once, received on 4-36-13". He figured that order out and entered it. The next order is "House order 7190, store 55 DeKalb, Ill. received 4-26-13, ship at once". The next order 14 "House order 7191, store 35 Wilkesbarre,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 17essary to make up the sheet. The sheet here headed "Comparison 191201913" (Defendant's Ex. "11") is made up by Mr. Frank to show the difference between one week of this year and the same week of last year and in making that up he has to take the financial sheet that he made this year and turn to the financial sheet that he made last year for the same week and compare them. This is the comparison sheet he made on Saturday. It is dated April 24th, 1913. (Defendant's Ex. "11"). The requisition and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 16.been over carefully the calculations in it and it represents approximately the operations of the factory for six weeks. We did not do any of the work on that sheet on Friday. I think it would take about three hours to go through the calculations and complete that sheet. That was our average time. There is no difference in the handwriting of Mr. Frank in the financial sheet of April 26th, from that of the week previous. It is just the same. The financial sheets are all kept in this book here (Defendant's Ex.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 15number had for that week. The next item "Wrappers" requires calculation because every dozen pencils takes a wrapper. People sometimes want them packed in tissue paper and he has to know which pencils are packed. He has got to go through all the pencils to determine which took wrappers and which did not. Our pencil production averaged 2900 to 3000 gross per week. A gross is 144. The next item is "skeletons". Skeleton is a card board with a little place in it where six pencils go on one side and six on the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 14He has to put that down under the number of pencils that shows on this sheet. He has to calculate and have a separate report as to each kind of pencil, and then add them up. We manufacture over a hundred kind of pencils. That week we dealt with about thirty-five different kinds. To do this you have to add, multiply, classify and separate each pencil into a different class. The next item appearing on the financial sheet is "slats", 2719. In calculating that he had to calculate the number of gross slats used,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 13.shows it below the time clock near and where the staircase is. The door entering into the Clarke Wooden Ware place was open two or three days after the murder. The door was previously locked. There is a hole back there through which waste is thrown down. It is an open hole. There is no lid to it. It is big enough for the body of a girl of the size of Mary Phagan to go through. If a body was thrown down it, it would roll down and stop on the platform. Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I paid off the help on Friday, April 25th, from the pay window outside of the office. I remember paying off Helen Ferguson that day. Nobody came up to ask for Mary Phagan's pay. Before any one could get another's envelope, they have to have a note to that effect. There was no reason for anyone to go to Mr. Frank to get their pay Friday, April 25. I was at the window paying off employees. We had posters put up all over the factory announcing that Saturday would be a legal holiday and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 11often Mrs. Frank would come up to the office on Saturday.I never saw Conley around the office on Saturday afternoon aftertwo o'clock. We never had any women up in the office. I neversaw any there. There is not a bed, cot, lounge or sofa anywherein the building. There is a dirty box with dirty crocus sackson it in the basement on the Clarke Wooden Ware Company side.It is very filthy and dirty down there. I went on the road onthe first Saturday in January, 1913. I got back to the factorythat day about 2:15,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 9office as Mr. Frank. I took a trip on the road on the first Saturday in January. All of the Company's money except the petty cash was kept over at Montag Bros. office at the general manager's office, Mr. Sig Montag. All mail of the Company is received at Montag Bros. The men in Mr. Montag's office made the deposit of money of the Company. Mr. Frank and I handled the petty cash ranging from $25.00 to $50.00. When we wanted money for the pay roll, we would get a check from Mr. Sig

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: She was sitting by herself when I got here. Mary wasn'tbut two or three passengers on the car and there wasn'tanybody sitting with her. If Epps was on the car I don't recol-lect it. I don't recall the name of any other passengers exceptMary Phagan. As to what attracted my attention to Mary gettingon the front end of the car, as a general rule when she wouldcatch our car Mr. Matthews would say to her "You are late today"and sometimes she would come in and remark that she was mad; thatshe was late today

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 7RE-DIRECT EXAMINATIONI identified Mary's body Sunday afternoon after the murder at the undertaker's. There was no doubt about her being the same girl. I knew her well by sight. She rode on my car lots.RE-CROSS EXAMINATIONI can't tell you whether that is the hat or not she wore.W. H. HOLLIS, Sworn for the defendants.I am a street car conductor. On the 26th of April I was on the English Avenue line. We ran on schedule that day. Mary Phagan got on at Lindsey Street at about 11:50. She is the same girl Identified at

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 6 street and you must go slow. I was relieved at Broad and Marietta by another motorman, but sat down in the same car one seat behind Mary Phagan. Another little girl was sitting in the seat with her. We got to Broad and Hunter about 12:10. Mary and the other little girl both got off and walked to the sidewalk and they wheeled like they were going to turn around on Hunter Street, both of them together. The pencil factory is about a block and a-half from where they got off at Hunter

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I got information as to Conley writing through my operatives while I was out of town.Monday I saw me when I returned. I got no information personally about his being able to write from the Penoil Company people. Personally I did not get information as to Conley's being able to write from Penoil Company. I got it from outside sources, wholly disconnected from the penoil company. As to whom I first communicated anything about Mrs.White's statement about seeing a negro down there, my impression is I told it in my many conversations with Black,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ing him how to look the door. He did not tell us anything aboutFrank having a cord in his hand at the tip of the steps or thatFrank looked funny about his eyes or that his face was red. Hedidn't tell us that he went back there and found the little girlwith a rope around her neck and a piece of underclothing or thathe went back to Mr. Frank and told him the girl was dead, or thathe wrapped her in a piece of cloth. He said it was a crocus sack.He did not

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 3him. He looked pretty good when he testified here. Frank wasarrested Tuesday morning at about 11:30pm May 29th we had anoth-er- talk with him. Talked with him almost all day. Yes, wepointed out things in his story that were improbable and toldhim he must do better than that. Anything in his story thatlooked to be out of place we told him wouldn't do. After he hadmade his last statement we didn't wish to make any further sugges-tion to him at that time. He then made his last statement onMay 29th(Defendant's Ex.38). He told us

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: make him give a confession. We used a little profanity and cussed him. He made that statement after he knew that I knew he could write. We had him for about two or three hours that day. He made another statement on May 24th which was put in writing. (Defendant's Exhibit 37.) He was carried to Mr. Dorsey's office that day and went over the statement with Mr. Dorsey. He still denied that he had seen the little girl the day of the murder. He swore to all that the statements contain. That statement

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: GEORGE EPPS. Re-called for Cross Examination.I was present on Sunday after the murder when a gentlemancame to the house and talked to me and my sister about whenwas the last time we had seen Mary Phagan. He didn't ask me,he asked my sister. I wasn't there, I was in the house. Ididn't hear him ask my sister that.HARRY SCOTT. Re-called for State.It took Jim Conley two or three minutes to write out thenotes that I dictated to him.CROSS EXAMINATION.I knew on Monday that Mrs. White claimed she saw a darkeyat the pencil factory. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: like he tried to hide it from me. I picked it up and looked at it carefully and it looked like he didn't want me to look at it at all. The day before that he went out with a pair of overalls corresponding to this blue shirt that he has, and he said he wanted to carry them to a negro at Bloak's candy factory and he had not had time to have gone to the candy factory before he came back and said that they were taking stock over there and would

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: BThis man Wilson worked on Saturday afternoon most all the time.Oiled up the motor and cleaned it while the factory was closed.Pride, Harry Denham, Charlie Lee, and Fast usually worked thereon Saturday oiling the machinery after they shut down and dif-ferent things. They were not shut off by any doors fromgoing anywhere they wanted in the factory. They were liable tocome down and around there any time. I have never seen thedoors either to the outer or the inner office of Mr. Frank locked.They have got glass fronts in them that you can see

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: ASignals from upstairs. I was obliged to have seen them if he hadwatched the door. I sat mainly in the front of the building soto see that nobody came in the building. I do not recall anySaturday afternoon that Frank and Schiff missed except whenSchiff was off on his vacation. I have never seen any of thembring any women in there or take any out. I have never been sickor missed a single Saturday since last year. I would leaveabout 4:30 Saturday afternoon. I have never seen Dalton in thefactory at all. I wouldn't

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I always stayed around the factory and looked after seeing that nobody came in or out, unless they had business. I never have seen anybody goose Conley. Sometimes I would kick him to make him go on to his work. The door that leads to the Clark Woodenware place never was locked. It was nailed up when the Clark Woodenware moved out of there. I nailed it up myself. It was open on the Monday after the murder. It lead back to a chute in the rear, and to two water closets on the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: the outer door towards the clock. I could see half of the oiroleon clock #2. I could not see any of the other clock at all. Theclock and desk could not have been moved without my instructions.The paint is scattered all around. It gets all over the placeand we can't prevent it. We never have washed the metal roomfloor since I have been there. We never found any water or bloodwhere it was said the girl's body was found in the metal depart-ment. The view I got from front door on April 26th, into

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: He would do this about twice a month. The girls in the packingdepartment did quite some overtime work on Saturday afternoon.RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION.I have made no contribution toward the fund to defendFrank. I don't know anything about Daisy Hopkins' generalcharacter. I don't know who nailed up the door on the ClarkeWooden-ware side. Lots of people have been there all over thefactory. If a body had been slid down the chute, behind thoseboxes, it would have been hidden more than where it was found.The boxes around the chute are piled nearly to the top. Inever noticed

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Saturday afternoon. I would visit the factory everySaturday afternoon between five and sixto find out how the financial was for the week. I foundMr. Frank in his office on every occasion except the one Ihave mentioned above. Mr. Schiff would help him on thefinancial. A few Saturdays I have gone there and Mr. Schiffwas not there. He may have been on his vacation. I here anddischarge all the help. I come in contact with the help ninetyper cent. more than Mr. Frank. Mr. Frank has nothing todo with employing or discharging them. On Saturdays,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: lounge, sofa, cot or bed in the whole factory. I found twoboxes down in the basement in Clark Woodenware side of olddirty, rotten stuff, too dirty & rotten for a human being torest upon. It's boggy in there. They had on top of them somedirty, filthy, nasty erouse sacks. There is no lounge, bed,sofa or anything of the sort in the metal room. I have neverseen a chair in there. I have never seen any blood under themachine that Barrett claims he found hair on. I never saw anyblood on the place the negro

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: CROSS EXAMINATION.I told the detective about this as soon as I saw one. I never kept it a secret from anybody. I spoke to Mr. Wade Campbell about seeing the darkey. I didn't tell him that I saw the negro as I went up into the factory about 12 o'clock. I didn't tell him that, when I came down the steps the last time, I didn't see anybody.C. W. MANGUM, sworn for the State.I had a conversation with Mr. Frank at the jail about seeing Conley and confronting him. Conley was on the fourth

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Mill Carson on Monday that I was drunk all day Saturday. I didn't see her at all on Monday. I did tell Mr. Herbert Schiff on Monday that I was afraid to go on the street, that I would give a million dollars if I was a white man. I said if I was a white man I would go on out. I didn't say nothing about no million dollars because I don't know what it takes to make a million. I didn't ask Miss Small on Monday what the extra had in it

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: to write to his mother and tell her that I was a good negro.The reason I didn't take the pencil down with the shoes, it wastoo far back for me to see it, I got my hair cut last week. Mylawyer sent me barber. They gave me a bath and bought me cleanclothes. My wife gave me my shirt. I didn't read anynewspapers on Monday about this crime. It don't do me no goodbecause I can't make any out. I didn't try to read any thatday. I washed that shirt on Thursday, May 1st,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: back there and found a cord around her neck. When I looked at the clock it was four minutes to one. That was after I went and seen the girl was dead, and he told me to bring her up there. I was standing at the steps, I could see the clock from there. Then I went back and got a piece of striped bed tick, something like your shirt there, and wrapped it around the little girl. I taken the cloth and spread it down and rolled her up in the cloth and

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: went to sleep after Miss Monteen Stover came down. Thed118know how long I was asleep, may be ten or fifteen minutes. Iheard the scream before I went to sleep, before Monteen Stover.I ever went in there. Mr. Quinn had already gone. I told theofficers I didn't see Mary Phagan go up at all. I didn'ttell them I heard any scream. I don't know when I first toldthat story. I told Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell. That wasafter I got out of jail. I said I heard the scream before Iwent to sleep, which I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: at the corner of Nelson and Forsyth Street. Before we went to Montag's he said he didn't want to say anything to Mr. Darley that there was going to be a young lady there after a while, and he told me that again after we came back from Montag's. Mr. Frank gave me that signal about stamping and whistling on Thanksgiving Day and he repeated it again that day. I told yesterday how he done it, like I am telling now. I think I am telling the truth now. We had been back from

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: time. It was somewhere after dinner. I can't give you any estimate. It was later than 12 o'clock. It went one o'clock, because it was four minutes to one when I came downstairs and unlocked the door. Yes, I heard the stamping before I locked the door, and I heard the scream before I heard the stamping. After he stamped for me I went and locked the door. I couldn't tell to save my life how long the door stayed locked. I was upstairs between the time I locked the door and the time

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: that done the murder. I told them that I saw those four men go up because I didn't think they saw me sitting there, and I didn't tell of seeing the other people for fear they would report on me. The reason why I told the police about those four going up there, because that was all I could remember that went up and down. I don't know when my memory got fresher about other people going up and down. I think it was after I got out of jail. I think I corrected

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 118four or five minutes. After Mr. Holloway left, I told them Mr. Quinn came in. I may have told them that a lady dressed in green was the next one. That was a mistake. A lady in green did go up before Mr. Darley came down. She came down before Holloway and Darley left. If I told the officers that she went up after they left, I made a mistake. Mr. Quinn was the next man that went up after Mr. Holloway came down. Yes, I told that yesterday. Yes, I said yesterday Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 111Mr. Frank stomping his foot. I don't know whether I told them at the time I told about helping move the body. I told it to Mr. Scott, Mr. Black, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Starnes and Mr. Dorsey. Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell wasn't in there sometimes when I told it. No, I didn't tell it to Mr. Scott and Mr. Black. They dropped the case and Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell taken it up. They come down and was talking to me for a month or more in my cell. Yes, I told Mr.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: out of jail. I don't know who the detective was I told aboutmy not leaving home at 9 o'clock. Four of them were talkingto me, all at the same time. I think one was Starnes and Camp-bell that I told that to, about changing the time. I don'tremember whether I told them that then that I was going to tell thewhole truth. I told them that after I got out of jail, afterI got back to headquarters. If you tell a story you know you'vegot to change it. A lie won't work, and you

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: didn't want them to know that I had written any notes for Mr.Frank. Yes, in that statement I told the officers I was goingto tell the whole truth. I told them that I got up at nine o'clockbecause there was nothing doing at the factory that day at thetime I said I was there at nine o'clock, because he had donetold me where to meet him at. Yes, I told them that I wasgoing to tell the whole truth. Yes, the reason I told them Ileft home at 9 or 9:30, because there was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 107I told them after I went home at 2:30, I went to Joe Carr'ssaloon and got 15¢ worth of beer. I don't remember tellingthem that I went there between three and four o'clock. Thedetectives talked to me nearly every day after I made my firststatement. Sometimes hours at a time. No, theydidn't cuss me. Yes. I sent for Black on May 24th. When thestatement came out in the papers that's the time I sent for him.As to how I knew it came out in the papers, I heard the boysacross the street hollering extra

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: dollar for the watchman and stuck an extra dollar in my envelo/eand that made $3.75. I don't remember how many beers I drankthat day. Yes, I told Mr. Scott I got up at 9 o'clock thatmorning. That wasn't true. I ate breakfast about seven. Yes,I told Mr. Black I ate at 9:30. That wasn't true. I left myhouse between 7 and 7:30. I told Mr. Scott I left somewherebetween 10 and 10:30. No, that wasn't true. I got to PetersStreet about 25 minutes to 8. I don't know how long I stayedthere. Some things

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I don't know anything about the plating room. I never have been in Mr. Quinn's office. I have put disinfectants in the ladies and gentlemen closets back there. I wouldn't go inside. I would only go to the door. I stood outside of the door and sprinkled it in them in a little way. Outside of that, and going to Mr. Quinn's office, I have never been on the left hand side of the factory. I have been there where they wash the lead at, and I have stuck bills in Mr. Quinn's office.

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: be about twenty-three. I know she was there, in June, because she gave me a note to take down to Mr. Schiff and I remember that because the note had June on it. Mr. Schiff took it and had "June" on it when he read it. He read that note and he read "June" something," it was on the outside of the note. It was on the back of the note. "June" was written on the back of that note. She wrote the note and folded it up and he read "June" on the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: niggers in all working in the factory. Snowball, the fireman and me did just plain manual labor, the rest of the negroes had better jobs. Snowball, the fireman and I were the last negroes to get jobs there. We were the new darkies; the others had been working before we went there. Mr. Frank used to laugh and jolly with me. I couldn't tell you the first time he did this. Mr. Darley has seen him jollying me. They would jolly me together. They would play and go on around there with me. It

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: drew my money Thanksgiving Day or not, I don't know how muchI drew. I don't remember what time I got down or what time Ileft. I don't know when I got to the factory the day beforeThanksgiving, or how long I worked there. I don't rememberhow many hours I worked the first Saturday I watched for himor the second, or the third, or Thanksgiving Day. No, I don'tknow how much I drew on those days. The first time I was inprison was in September. The next time was sometime beforeChristmas, I can't remember the

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 101about the middle of January--somewhere about the first or middle. It was right after New Year, one or two, three or four days after. It was on a Saturday. He said a young man and two ladies would be coming. That was that Saturday morning at half past seven. I was standing by the side of Gordon Bailey when he come and told me, and he said, I could make a piece of money off that man. Yes, Snowball could hear what he said. The man and ladies came about half past two or

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: about half past four. He gave me a quarter and I left and thenhe left. The next Saturday I watched for him near the samething. It was about the last of July or the first of August.The next Saturday I watched for him about twelve o'clock he said"You know what you done for me last Saturday, I want to putyou wise for this Saturday." I said, "All right, what time?"He said, "Oh, about half past." After Mr. Holloway left, Mi ssDaisy Hopkins come on in into the office, Mr. Frank come outof the office,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: Frank would come and tell me I didn't take out that money for the time you lost this week. I don't know on what date he ever did that on. Yes, I always got my money in envelopes. As to how they would know how much to put in the envelope, when I didn't punch, they would come and ask if I was here every time I didn't ring in, and they would ask Mr. Holloway if I was here. If the clock didn't show any punch, they would ask me if I was

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: sometimes that way and sometimes the other way. I would say,"I owe you fifteen cents, I buy three beers, and you owe mefifteen cents, and that be three beers." I say if I would be inthe beer saloon when they come in there, I would do that, but ifI could get out before they saw me, I would be gone. I neverdid know what time the watchman come there on Saturday, or anySaturday. I never have seen the nightwatchman in the factory.I have seen young Mr. Kendrick come and get his money. Healways comes

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: 96what they were drawing. I wasn't drawing but $6.05. Snowballwas drawing $6.05. As to who it was I didn't want to see whatI was drawing, there was one named Walter Pride; he's beenthere five years. He said he drew $12.00 a week. Then there wasJoe Pride. He told me he drew $8.40 a week. They were down inthe basement and asked me how much I was drawing. I told themit wasn't none of their business. Then there was a fellownamed Fred. I don't know how much he drew. The next one wasthe fireman. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: I don't know about spelling "mother." I can spell "papa", I spell it p-a-p-a. I can't spell "rather" or "jury" or "judge" or "stockings." I never did go to school further than the first grade, I went to school about a year. I can spell "day", but not "daylight", I can spell "beer" but not "whiskey", I couldn't read the name "whiskey." No, I can't read any letter on that picture there (Exhibit A--State). I can't figure except with my fingers. I know the figures as far as eight, as far as twelve. I

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: giving day. I know the man's name was Mr. Dalton. When I saw Mr. Frank coming towards the factory Saturday morning he had on his raincoat and his usual suit of clothes and an umbrella. Up to Christmas I used to run the elevator, then they put me on the fourth floor to clean up. I cleaned up twice a week on the first floor under Mr. Holloway's directions. The lady I saw in Mr. Frank's office Thanksgiving Day was a tall built lady, heavy weight, she was nice looking, she had on a

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: the fellow that was with me, "I am going back to Peters Street,"and a Jew across the street that I owed a dime to called me andasked me about it, and I paid him a dime. Then I went onover to Peters Street and stayed there awhile. Then I went homeand I taken fifteen cents out of my pocket and gave a littlegirl a nickel to go and get some sausage and then I gave her adime to go and get some wood, and she stayed so long that whenshe come back I said,

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: and burn that myself." He looked at me then kind of frightened and he said "Let me see that money" and he took the money back and put 1 t back in his pocket, and I said "Is this the way you do things?" and he said, "You keep your mouth shut, that is all right." And Mr. Frank turned around in his chair and looked at the money and he looked back at me and folded his hands and looked up and said "Why should I hang, I have wealthy people in Brooklyn,"

Visible Translated Text Is As Follows: on the table to get a box of cigarettes and a box of matches,and he takes a cigarette and a match and hands me the box ofcigarettes and I lit one and went to smoking and I handed himback the box of cigarettes, and he put it back in his pocket andthen he took them out again and said, "You can have these", andI put them in my pocket, and then he said, "Can you write," andI said, "Yes, sir, a little bit," and he taken his pencil tofix up some notes. I was